Odd Shaped Penis Stories

Carrie Wasterlain
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 11:09 am: [report]

Hilarious.

laura
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 11:10 am: [report]

i still fail to understand the big deal about uncircumsized….penes. the business end is the same, and when unengaged it just looks like it is wearing a sock. maybe some are more offensive?

IAMME
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 11:27 am: [report]

12 inches, curved upward like a “C” mmmmmmmm….I miss that guy…..

Lynn
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 12:56 pm: [report]

I’ve never encountered a really crazy one, but I had a hilarious conversation with an ex. I said something about him being circumcised and he proudly declared that he was NOT. I said “uh, yes, you definitely are” and he kept arguing with me about it, swearing up and down that he wasn’t. Finally, we did a google image search so I could convince him that I was right. He was in total shock. I guess he had never seen an unclipped one before? I’m still not sure why he thought he hadn’t had it done.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 01:15 pm: [report]

@Lynn: That’s funny, except for the ignorance to the point of denial.

writergirl
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 01:16 pm: [report]

@Lynn—that is the funniest story regarding men and their parts I’ve ever read.

Lynn
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 02:41 pm: [report]

It was ridiculous! He was an intelligent, social man in his early 20s. There is NO REASON why he shouldn’t have known! I am baffled to this day :-p

theattack
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 02:57 pm: [report]

HAHAHA hilarious, Lynn!! That just made my afternoon.

The strangest penis I’ve encountered was only strange because of how tiny it was, but it was also one of the first ones I got close to (one of those awkward teenage experiences). I was waiting until he was hard to go near his penis, but when he moved my hand down south, I was surprised to discover the tiny stub WAS hard. I didn’t have sex with this guy, but one of my friends had previously dated and lost her virginity to him, and her cherry never popped out of the several times they had sex.

thatgirl8
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 03:23 pm: [report]

”The most memorably ‘weird’ dick was very noticeably curved DOWNWARD and slightly to the left, and it belonged to a lovely British chap I was banging for a few months. It looked a little funny, but was very useful in conquering the elusive g-spot. Ah, memories!”

I TOTALLY agree w/her. Current man has a downward curving dong. I’ve seen those that curved up or a little to the side, but never down before. When I ride him, it totally hits my G spot, the one I never was able to find before, and to make it even sweeter I discovered I could ejaculate with him too. Don’t turn one of these down if you ever come across the opportunity!

Hugh7
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 04:43 pm: [report]

What’s “odd” about an intact penis? 7/10 of the men in the world have one, and not just poor countries. The rest of the English-speaking world tried circumcision, found it did no good, and gave it up.

It’s not too surprising some circumcised US men think they’re not. TV Sitcoms present infant circumcision as being almost exclusively Jewish, with the occasional intact man wanting it done. Must be a real shock to the system to find out what’s been done to you, though!

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 04:59 pm: [report]

@Hugh7: Eh, it makes it low maintenance as well as pleasing to look at, and it’s done on 75% percent of the guys in the US. I’m happy with mine. Big deal. Also, smegma is a weird word and a disgusting actuality.

flooze
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 07:28 pm: [report]

I have seen these kinds of posts all over the place, and I am wondering, is there a male version, kind of like “what’s the weirdest freakiest vagina you’ve ever seen?” I think the whole thing is really offensive and hypocritical of women. We can never accept “bodysnarking” or whatever on our own bodies, oh, but when we talk about a part of a man’s body, we can laugh and point all we want.

It seems particularly unfair when a man cannot change his penis size, but we can’t ever point out the fact that overweight women have every possibility to lose weight and change themselves, but they won’t, and men are supposed to accept them as they are.

Get a new topic.

spark
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 07:39 pm: [report]

@cheese - eh, an uncirc dick is just as low maintenance as a circ dick (do you not wash your penis?), more pleasing to look it (yay for natural and no unsightly scar line), and only about 50% of American babies are circumcised (and that number is rapidly falling). smegma is natural, and i have never seen an uncut dick that had a problem with it. maybe you should get informed before you make such male-body-hating comments. an intact penis is normal, natural, sightly, etc.

spark
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 07:41 pm: [report]

and if you are circumcised, you are missing out on extra sensation (for both you and her) and, unless you are a gay man who has been with both, you really should keep your mouth shut cause you probably don’t know what you’re talking about!

becktasm
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 07:44 pm: [report]

@flooze: I agree to a point, but I think we do it because it’s one of the few socially acceptable things we CAN tease men about. I mean, we get sh*t ALL THE TIME about our breasts, legs, butts, thighs, hips, stomachs, vaginas- everything. Even feet. And hands. But men, men can be completely slovenly and that’s just a-ok. Men (and women) get on us about our breasts- without surgery, can we change those? What’s the difference?

The particular difference between men and women that’s rearing its head here is that men have no idea what it’s like to live in a world where your body is constantly critiqued, and you are judged on it- where every day you look in the mirror and say, “okay, how will OTHER people think I look in this?” If we can’t vent that horrible frustration by poking good fun at their penises (which, by the way, all these ladies still had sex with, except for the guy with genital warts), the only part of their body that directly affects us, how CAN we vent it?

PinkRanger
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 07:48 pm: [report]

@um no: cool your jets! He wasn’t saying anything offensive, he seems pretty indifferent actually, but says that hes happy the way he is, whats wrong with that? He wasn’t attacking anyone. The reasons he listed are the reasons people outside of the jewish faith use to have their children circumcised whether you agree with those reasons or not. overly sensitive much? it was just a joke about the smegma thing…

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 08:28 pm: [report]

@um no: I’d like to retort back if I’d might, how would you know there is a difference in sensation? Have you had a penis before and after circumcision where you were old enough to have had a sexual encounter. No, I think not, and that is where this argument goes awry, the numbers of people that go for adult circumcisions is low (Despite SATC doing it for an episode) and I’m sure making comments publicly is at an even lower percent. I’m not knocking what you may believe, however I am questioning your outcomes and numbers.

writergirl
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 08:41 pm: [report]

@theattack….I think we may have hooked up with the same guy! Small…no girth… it was like a golf pencil. I think he was the reason I put off having sex until I was in my twenties—I figured it was nothing to get excited about.

retro chic
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 08:50 pm: [report]

Hmm, a trend… and possibly a great online dating profile opener: “Yeah, you. Down and to the left.” I had the same awesome experience! It was actually the first time I had a pure unadulterated, unaided vag-O. Within two strokes, I knew—my eyes literally popped open like dolls’ eyes, so as not to miss this “omg, this-is-real” historic moment. The stranger thing… he was developmentally slow… like he was a savant in that one place! Btw, his name is Richard B**n (yeah, rhymes with phone).

But by far the most unusual, was the one that was so large, it spooked me… and the head so oversized and blunted, it didn’t look penile (let alone hot), and I knew this wasn’t going to work. He didn’t seem that fond of it either. That said, I rarely met a dick I didn’t like.

loveitlala
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 09:31 pm: [report]

@umno It may be that 50% of babies born in the US don’t get circumscribed, but 75% of American babies do! Those others are from other countries. There might just be more Mexican citizens born in my lovely city than in all of Mexico!

theattack
wrote on May 22 2009 @ 11:55 pm: [report]

@writergirl: hahaha, I love your golf pencil description. His penis was absolutely that. The funny thing about this guy was how arrogant he was. He thought he was such a badass (which he wasn’t), and so sexy (which he was). Shortly after that incident though, he got some girl pregnant in high school and then went to jail for driving drunk with absurd amounts of heroin in his car. Umm, glad I said no to that one.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 01:02 am: [report]

@everyone talking about golf pencils: Really? The width of a pencil? Not that I’d know, but is that even possible? (Well statistics show it is, but 2 ladies on the same website….come on)

painted_lady
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 02:12 am: [report]

I’m pretty sure I dated the freckle guy - found out later how much he got around - and it was really strangely unsightly.

I had sort of an opposite experience with an uncut guy as Lynn did, only it was me that looked idiotic. My boyfriend is uncircumcised, but we started out so hot and heavy our first couple of times that he was rock hard to the point that he had a difficult time getting out of his jeans (he’s also around 9”...sigh…). At that point, unless you’re really looking - I wasn’t, it was dark and pretty fast - you can’t tell any difference. And it was early on enough in the relationship I did the walk of shame before he woke up, so I never did see it soft until our third or fourth time. And my dumb ass blurts out, “Oh, that’s why you asked if I’d been with an uncut guy before!”

But I agree with the penis in a sock analogy. Not all that different. And fortunately, that’s one of the few personal hygiene items he’s pretty regular about (boys are gross), so really, for what I want it to do, there’s so little difference.

alwaysMispelled
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 05:00 am: [report]

Thankfully, my current boyfriend has an Amazing penis. It’s absolutely Perfect!

That aside, I’ve seen one uncut penis, and it was sooo gross. And I told the guy so. It was also incredibly small. And just like, didn’t look like a penis. There was no way that thing was going anywhere near me… To the people so desperately sticking up for un-cut. Why? because it’s “natural”? What about our modern lives are “natural”? We shave body hair, brush our teeth with chemicals—whiten them! Go tanning! Come on. Cut penises are attractive, sexy, absolutely delicious. Just get over yourself. I actually agree with Cheeze on this point: I HIGHLY doubt that being cut cuts down on the “enjoyment”... Have you ever seen a man cum? Believe me, they enjoy it.
.....

Prior to that, I’d seen a penis so small that I didn’t know it was hard… And when the guy brought my hand down to it I realized it was, but it honestly fit in the palm of my hand…

I was head-over-heels for this guy, so I stayed, but we “#&@$%,” or tried to, for a looooong time. Trying different positions… I dunno if he ever made it in, but I never felt it, and got bored, just wanted to go to sleep. How sad is that? He was so cute, too. And he didn’t seem to care that his pathetic little dong brought me no pleasure. He laughed it off as “the irish curse”.

yarngasm
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 06:13 am: [report]

Four out of the ten or so dicks I’ve seen have been under 4” long. One dude was so small he couldn’t even keep a condom on. We’re talking 2” hard here. At that point, it’s not a coincidence, it’s a curse!

writergirl
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 06:45 am: [report]

@theattack—-yeah….that sounds like him, too. Arrogant and kinda hot. I am pretty sure mine wasn’t big into H though…he was kind of a health nut.

@cheese—ok…golf pencil might not be ENTIRELY accurate but definately…thin….Maybe a tube of lipstick is a better visual? And small….if he was a tube of lipstick he would be like a tube of Prescriptives. Here’s a link since I am assuming you have no idea what I am talking about. And no….not with the lipstick up. Just the tube, lid on tight.

http://www.prescriptives.com/templates/products/multiproduct.tmpl?ngextredir=1&CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY14708

fs38
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 09:13 am: [report]

sorry, but using forsekin as an excuse for having a dirty dick is pathetic- thats like saying ‘i didnt wash under my arms because i couldnt be bothered to lift them’!!

in the UK its uncommon for a man to be circumcised, the first time i was with someone with a cut one it was wierd- you always need lube for handjobs! apart from that, its pretty much the same from a female point of view i think. when its hard they look exactly anyway. i really dont get why Americans get so grossed out by them! i should imagine encountering a lipstick dick would be much worse….!

jackhandy
wrote on May 23 2009 @ 09:31 pm: [report]

Fascinating reading all the comments here. I’m male, American and cut… and I agree with all the “cut dick fans” that uncut dicks just look… ugh, unsightly at best. I agree that uncut is the natural state/look for a human penis, but I’d NEVER want my dick to be like that. I guess it all just depends on what you’re used to seeing.

@fs38: As an experienced male masturbator, I can tell you that you’re wrong… you don’t HAVE to use lube for handjobs. Just grab the shaft firmly and jerk it, moving the skin up and down. Or you can hold the penis very very lightly and let your hand slide over the skin of the shaft (and head too). But I gotta also say, I’d NEVER turn down a nice lubed handjob bc that can feel sooooo exquisite!

icecreameyes
wrote on May 24 2009 @ 01:01 am: [report]

I’m from Australia and I’ve never seen a live cut penis. My boy now is uncut and when you pull down the foreskin when its hard, it looks exactly like (pictures I’ve seen) of cut dicks. As long as it’s clean it’s wonderful!

misspixie
wrote on May 24 2009 @ 02:53 am: [report]

I don’t see the fuss that people are making between cut and uncut. As long as it’s clean, I guess it’s all down to aesthetics, right? I wouldn’t judge a guy on whether or not it was cut or uncut, seems a bit of a moot point especially if you really like the guy - who cares?

The first guy I ever slept with was huuuuge - ah, what an introduction to penises *that* was (ow, ow, ooooh!). Sleeping with a guy with a small penis is a huge disappointment (haha) as a result. Never come across a totally weird penis, they’ve all been fairly normal looking and mostly above average, apart from a couple. Phew! xxx

puck
wrote on May 25 2009 @ 08:50 pm: [report]

@PinkRanger: No, the reasons Cheese listed are not why Americans (or other countries) went gaga for circumcizing to the point they don’t even question it. It came out of the belief that it would prevent masturbation and that it prevented sexually transmitted diseases at the turn of the century. Even today doctors will tell mothers that lack of foreskin will help with cleaning. If you forget to clean under the flap it can become stuck to the penis (something a mom might do, but a man…um, no). Pretty sure that’s not a reason to mutilate your kid. *shrug*

@alwaysMispelled: People stick up for not cutting babies because it’s completely unecessary and pretty barbaric actually. You don’t think it’s a big deal? Then why aren’t you lining up to get a female circumcision??? Get rid of all that un-sightly labia! That’s totally GROSS. Not to mention removal of your clit—more extreme than just flaps of skin, but FGM/C includes that.

No. Shaving and whitening your teeth are no where near MUTILIATION. Of a BABY. Without anesthesia. Just because it’s widely practiced doesn’t make it okay or normal. Female circumcision is widely practiced elsewhere and I’m pretty sure we can agree that it’s disgusting.

Also, FYI to you and others who do not know…an un-cirmcised penis looks EXACTLY LIKE a regular penis when hard. EXACTLY. Look it up and stop making ignorant remarks to guys whos parents had some sense.

develange
wrote on May 25 2009 @ 09:14 pm: [report]

I’ve experienced a couple uncut penes (?) and I think the handjob/blowjob technique is different, since the foreskin moves with the peen. It takes some getting used to.

I agree that looking at an uncut peen is weird at first, especially flaccid, but, like anything, once you see it for a while, it’s no big deal. Smegma though? Ew. Hopefully I’ll NEVER have to see that.

But can’t women get smegma too? We have folds and whatnot down there . . .

Cyndi
wrote on May 25 2009 @ 09:22 pm: [report]

my current bf for the past year is the strangest thing I’ve come across, uncircumcised, slightly curved. yes, when it’s flaccid it looks strange but he’s honestly the best sex I’ve ever had. that could be because he’s Cuban but I credit some of it to his manhood. I recommend trying uncircumcised to anyone, I’m sure you’ll realize it’s just as good if not better

theattack
wrote on May 25 2009 @ 09:51 pm: [report]

I honestly just wouldn’t know what to do with an uncircumcised penis. I would be so intimidated.

retro chic
wrote on May 25 2009 @ 10:53 pm: [report]

Would it be different if a man chose to be cut—is there any info on the incidence of adult males who elect for circumcision? I’d be curious about the motivation—why and whom—his or hers.

Also, it’s kind of alarming to read about these dwarf-sized ones (never encountered one). I heard it can possibly be due to the long-term side-effects of certain meds taken in childhood (?) It just seems too extreme to be congenital (ø pun).

ps: oops, my previous comment (#19) was directed at thatgirl8’s and the article quote.

aimeeleelee
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 12:29 am: [report]

skinny like a pencil and about half the size of one when erect.. so gross

MissJennLynn
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 10:25 am: [report]

@ Puck - FGM is NOT the same as male circumcision. Men are still able to feel pleasure, whereas a clitorectomy removes any possibility of that whatsoever. If labia are removed, they sew the vagina shut so that no one can enter unless it is the woman’s husband. It is a practiced condone by NO doctors, just medicine men and tribespeople… Also, the foreskin is a part of the body that a man can live safely without. Just like our appendix… You act like this a crime against humanity when it is really a decision that people make to change their bodies, just like botox or cosmetic surgery.

secretsquirrel
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 10:48 am: [report]

There was one….uncircumcised, which didn’t bother me once I realized what the deal was, but, how to say this? There was a defect and the hole was not at the tip but on the underside of the glans. That part threw me for a loop.

marshmallows
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 10:50 am: [report]

I’ve actually never been with a circumcised man, so I’m sure if the day ever comes (and hopefully it won’t, because I’m really committed to my current BF), I’m sure I’ll be way freaked out!

Whyevernot55
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 11:03 am: [report]

Been there done that with the itty bitty’s. Not one, but TWO guys in high school. The second had completely unruly hair down there, which made his member appear even smaller than it was. Not lipstick-case sized - maybe a lipstick and a half?
The other guy…yeah. Lipstick-sized. There were lots of other things going on there so that relationship ended before we got very far!
I have also never seen an uncircumsized penis. Like marshmallows, I hope I never will - I’m rather attached to my guy and his lovely penis!

puck
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 01:57 pm: [report]

@MissJennLynn: I did not say FGM was the same as circumcision. I was equating removal of the labia to removal of foreskin. I then pointed out that FGM/C sometimes (not always—there are many types of female circumcision) includes removal of the clit, for accuracy and empathsis on how ridiculous any such procedure can get to be.

Men are still able to feel pleasure, though there is a large debate on whether uncirmcumcised men are more sensitive as they retain their sheath, than those without. Look up an article on men who are going so far as to replace their foreskin for that reason.

I can live safety without my eye, or an ear, or a leg…doesn’t mean I’d do it. Hell, I could live without my appendix, but you don’t see me lining up to pull it out. I could live without the skin on my elbows and have it removed it prove I prayed too much—BUT I DON’T because it’s STUPID and a useless thing to do!

It IS a damn crime against humanity to MUTILATE your baby who doesn’t get to MAKE THE DECISION themselves, and who gets it removed without anesthesia! We’re talking about something dreamed up for people at the TURN OF THE CENTURY for reasons that were untrue! Yah, it’s just like botox, you’re so right. WHAT was I thinking.

mikeyellenlee
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 02:13 pm: [report]

I used to date a guy with a popping penis. Whenever he got hard, he had to pop it into place. I guess a former gf of his literally broke his penis by jumping on it or something.

Taurwen
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 03:01 pm: [report]

I’m thinking the circumcision debate got way out of hand here… (although to be fair, removing your appendix does seem like more of a good idea than a useless silly one, it does seem like it’s only purpose is to explode and kill you one day)

I’ve never really come in contact a penis that seemed odd to me. One guy I slept with stayed hard after he came, and could remain hard for hours with little to no effort… which seemed a little weird, but he seemed to like it that way.

Taurwen
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 03:03 pm: [report]

***Come into contact with a penis

Hugh7
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 05:24 pm: [report]

Do you frisky ladies think you’d turn down sex with Ewan McGregor, Daniel Craig, Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant (Drs Who), Peter O’Toole, Gary Oldman, Ralph and Joseph Fiennes, Hugh Jackman, Colin Farrell, Christian Bale, Jude Law, Nick Nolte, William Hurt, Leonard DiCaprio, William Dafoe AND Nicholas Cage? Brace yourselves, they’re all as intact as the moment they were born. And the list goes on at http://www.circumstitions.com/Famous-map.html. I think if any of those took a shine to you, you might soon get over it.

sam04
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 06:03 pm: [report]

I think I could turn down sex with Nick Nolte and Willem Dafoe. Easily.

CatGoesNomNom
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 06:16 pm: [report]

Okay, I dated a guy from Guatemala who was uncut, and it.was.awful. Firstly, he was pretty small, and somewhat overweight, so he had a hard time even getting it in. And let me tell you: the smegma? He had it. It was so effing nasty it scarred me for life. His was the first uncut penis I saw, and I was totally fine with it, but when I went to give him a beej, and saw (and smelled) that nasty smegma, I almost threw up. Needless to say, I didn’t go through with the beej and never gave him one. I was CONSTANTLY getting yeast infections from him. He bathed everyday, but either he wasn’t cleaning thoroughly or was just extra smegma-y. EW gag that only lasted about 2 months. And smegma is NOT the same as discharge that builds up in the vagina- its a much more potent smelling substance.

Hugh7
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 08:19 pm: [report]

Well, samo4, I don’t know who young women’s heart(or other)throbs are these days, so I just threw in a selection. I doubt that John Malkovich is anyone’s cup of tea either, but who knows? Maybe those who don’t want Paul Walker want James Earl Jones….

puck
wrote on May 26 2009 @ 10:09 pm: [report]

@Hugh7: LOL, I’ll pass on Nick Cage but there are some definite hotties in that list. Thanks for it.

For the ladies (or men) who think I’m too worked up over the issue I’ve gotta say that faced with the facts it’s sorely disappointing that more of you aren’t enraged.

If it was common place for gals to get their labia removed for “cleanliness” and looks would you all not call sexist, offensive, and useless practices? Seriously.

vanya
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 09:07 am: [report]

John Malkovich is my cup of tea, thank you very much

I wasn’t used to circumcised men, and it was surprising to me the first time I saw a circumcised penis, after I’d moved to the U.S. I wouldn’t say it was “odd”, just different that what I’d previously experienced.

Catgoesnomnom, was your bf also treated for yeast when you got yeast infections? Cut or uncut, men and women can pass yeast back and forth to each other.

writergirl
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 09:09 am: [report]

Can Peter O’Toole even get it up anymore?

reluctant
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 01:23 pm: [report]

@alwaysMispelled
WHOA…i dated an irish guy from belfast who said the same thing about his wee penis!!!! Trippy!

MissJennLynn
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 04:09 pm: [report]

@puck: Ok, perhaps you didn’t quite understand the body-changing metaphor of botox BUT the cutting of foreskin, a piece of SKIN, IS similar to cosmetic surgery… Which, according to your terms, is mutilation. Cosmetic surgery is a much more risky process… perhaps you could research the number of deaths from circumcision ( in 1990 it was 1 in 500,000) vs death from plastic surgery ( In 2008 it was 1 in 5,000).

Also, it was not created by AMERICA at the turn of the century, only advocated - there are facts that link it to ANCIENT EGYPT.
While this decision is prominent in our culture, it does not make it wrong or right. It is a personal decision that does not often affect the physical of mental health of a man.

How about we focus on much more prevalent and harmful issues, such as AIDS or starvation…

Hugh7
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 05:21 pm: [report]

@MissJennLynn Where does your figure for deaths come from? The difference is that adults choose cosmetic surgery for THEMSELVES. It should indeed be a personal decision, but of only one person, when he’s old enough.

Actually, circumcision comes from the stone age, and that’s where (absent pressing medical need) it belongs.

I don’t think a Miss Frisky thread on the oddest penis you’ve ever encountered is a proper place to lecture people about AIDS or starvation. Everyone is entitled to their own priorities.

Mdniteprncss
wrote on May 27 2009 @ 07:59 pm: [report]

...it curved up, it felt gritty. I got myself checked more often than necessary…

Adventurous1
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 10:14 am: [report]

Having sex with uncircumcised men has been shown to increase a woman’s chance of getting cervical cancer.

http://www.circinfo.net/cervical_cancer_in_female_partners_of_uncircumcised_men.html

Thanks but I’ll take life for $1000, Alex.

MissJennLynn
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 08:00 pm: [report]

@hugh7: I agree, we are all allowed our opinions, so please do not lecture me on what is appropriate. This discussed was long evolved before I jumped in.

MissJennLynn
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 08:01 pm: [report]

discussion*

Hugh7
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 09:17 pm: [report]

You’re the one saying we should be thinking about something else. (Of COURSE there are more “prevalent and harmful” issues. And less.)

wonder_bread
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 09:37 pm: [report]

does it really matter all of u sex who u want to any way. cut, uncut, no one’s in any one elses bed room. it was an interesting article and ya’ll are turning it into a debate about what right and wrong. how about what tickles ya fancy best. not wat gives cancer or is natural.

MissJennLynn is right there are really more important issues we can be slinging statistics at. but cut and uncut is petty. You either dig it or ya don’t. Don’t matter who created it or not. Clean, not clean its all in ur preception and values anyway cause your gonna have sex with whatever you like in the end no matter wat statistics or religion or whatever else’s opinion pops up.

Hugh7
wrote on May 28 2009 @ 11:00 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1 you’re citing the most rampantly pro-circumcision site on the web. It has NOT been shown. And whenever someone says “non-circumcision increases blahblah risk” ask them “from what, to what?” It turns out that the risk goes up from infinitessimal to miniscule, at worst. More often the studies are quite bogus. circumcision =/= life.

moogyboobles
wrote on May 29 2009 @ 01:20 am: [report]

@adventurous1 as a brit circumcision without a good medical reason is absurd to me…seriously it’s a massive wtf over here. I have 3 sons too, you just don’t get these problems the doctors in the US claim!
As for cervical cancer…I’d far rather teach my children to use condoms, than do what I see as mutilate their genitals without their consent as a baby!
Seriously at what point does a mum of a perfect new baby think I’m going to get some of bits cut off?

Adventurous1
wrote on May 29 2009 @ 03:53 am: [report]

@Hugh7 Another article indicates it increases the chance of contracting cervical cancer from 23 to 43%.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2157-circumcision-cuts-cervical-cancer-rates.html

Another study that indicates three papers published asserting that it also predisposes the transmission of HIV. This just published in 2008.

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSTRE4BG7CM20081217

If nothing else, it certainly gives one pause.

Hugh7
wrote on May 29 2009 @ 04:06 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1 The Castellsagué study pooled data from four non-circumcising countries and the Philippines, so it was really comparing countries, and we know that many demographic factors (such as incidence of women smoking) affect cervical cancer. In none of the countries taken individually was the association significant (such significance as it had rested on the circumcision or HPV status of a total of SIX men), and it was not directly between circumcision and cervical cancer, only circumcision and HPV, a very common virus.

The three HIV studies were not independent or double-blinded or placebo controlled, and the dropout rates were several times higher than the infection rates, so they’re not nearly as conclusive as media beat-ups make them appear. Actual HIV rates don’t bear these experiments out. In at least seven African countries, more of the CIRCUMCISED men have HIV than the non-circumcised.

Sorry to lower the tone of this discussion, but circumcision has that effect. People (mainly men) have a vested interest in it, one way or the other, and that affects both scientists and news editors.

puck
wrote on May 29 2009 @ 10:08 pm: [report]

I love you Hugh7—you make it so my responses don’t have to be as long-winded! It makes me crazy to have US females act so flippant about male circumcision. I don’t understand it.

@MissJennLynn: I think Hugh answered everything as I would, but what the hell…

- Elective plastic surgery is NOT the same. It’s ELECTIVE and it’s a decision made by a consenting adult.
- Did I say circumcision was devised by Americans? Man, that would be awfully small-minded and stupid of me. No, I said it became widespread HERE (“here” being understood as America, what with the focus on circumcision) at the turn of the century.
- “it does not make it wrong or right”?? Really. So if tomorrow it became the social standard for women to have their labia removed at birth that would make it a personal decision, right? A baby’s decis—oh wait. No. Well, that wouldn’t affect a person’s physical or mental health? LOL. LOL. LOL. Because YOU WOULD KNOW. How could you chop of a bit of someone’s GENTIALS and not expect it to effect them? Not to mention the movement of circumcised men to restore their foreskin, or the theories of sensitivity being lost…
- I really love that fantastic righteous segway at the end of your post too. Apart from the fact that myself and others think circumcision is a barbaric practice, if you really thought it wasn’t that important to talk about, YOU WOULDN’T HAVE RESPONDED.

idiom addict
wrote on June 2 2009 @ 08:56 am: [report]

It becomes less hideous and more like each family’s choice if we compare it to infant ear piercing: something we might think is barbaric, but which is part of a cultural idea of beauty. Often parents make decisions which affect their child’s life forever, and sometimes those effects aren’t physical, but can be worse than decreased sensation. If for instance, a family chooses to follow devoutly a strict religion and their son is gay, that can give him problems which can prevent a healthy relationship for the rest of his life. Parents are there so that they can make decisions for their child, so there is no need to fault them for their, often times, good jobs.

puck
wrote on June 2 2009 @ 03:26 pm: [report]

Excepting religious reasons (which I think are bogus, but that’s a bigger animal to contend with), the only reason a parent would circumcise or pierce the ears of an infant (disagree with that too) is for their own satisfaction. That’s #&@$%. The child comes first, not your ego or ease of care.

I don’t understand your last sentence. Their “good job” on circumcising/piercing ears/homophobia??? Sorry, I do fault parents for bad decisions. They don’t get a pass just because they gave birth.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 2 2009 @ 08:24 pm: [report]

@puck I disagree strongly with your assertion that the only reason a parent would circumcise or pierce the ears of an infant is for their own satisfaction and that in some way they are putting their egos ahead of the welfare of the child or ease of care.

Circumcised penises and pierced ears are MORE maintenance than if the procedures had not been done. They require cleansing and careful monitoring to ensure that infection does not set in. I believe that it is just as egotistical no matter WHICH side of the arguement you are on. A parent who is asserting NOT to circumcise is STILL making a decision based upon their own belief system. There are negative connotations associated with being uncircumcised as well. Societal ramifications, to name one.

My own husband insisted that we not circumcise our son because HE felt he shouldn’t have been circumcised without his consent. In that, he was imposing what he wished hadn’t been done to HIM.

People’s cultural and religious beliefs come into play in child-rearing decisions all the time. I find it ignorant and intolerant for one person to imply that their belief system is more valid than the other. Surely we have progressed beyond this kind of prejudice?

puck
wrote on June 2 2009 @ 09:25 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1: I’m just so completely baffled by your thought processes on this that I can’t believe I’m having to lay out a response.

Watching for an infection on a physical alteration YOU did TO YOUR CHILD is the LEAST you could possibly freaking do. How is that CARING about your child more???

HOW is it egotistical to leave your son the way he was born? It was egotistical of your husband to realize circumcising is cruel and unnecessary and mentally upsetting to him? WOW. I sense bitterness on your part in that decision, which I find completely laughable since YOU would not know a damn thing about losing a piece of your genitalia as your husband would. The only negative connotations to being uncircumcised are the ones made up by ignorant American girls who have absolutely NO room to talk or know about such things.

ROFL, as my husband just said: “It’s not like I hold a sign over my head that says: “I AM UNCIRCUMCISED. SOCIETY, GIVE ME YOUR RAMIFICATIONS.”

Haha, do you find it ignorant of human-rights groups who protest religious female-genital-mutilation/circumcision of young girls? It’s their RELIGION, obviously they’re the ones who’s opinions are more valid, right? Please post again—it makes me laugh.

Buhri
wrote on June 2 2009 @ 09:47 pm: [report]

Puck, female circumcision is is the removal of the clitoris, not the labia. If you want to go on a rant and chew people out, get your facts straight. Also, babies aren’t put under because it’s a serious danger, unlike the removal of foreskin in which mos cases, it’s numbed. Unless of course it’s for a bris in which case there’s usually no numbing agent but you can’t say anything against free religious practices since that’s what America’s based on. Really, who cares if a guy is cut or not? A penis is a penis.

Hugh7
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 12:07 am: [report]

Buhri, “female circumcision” encompasses a range of operations, some worse than (most of) the male, some not so bad. It is as human rights abuses that they are equivalent. “You can’t say anything against free religious practices”? Just let a polygamist try that on! America, correct me if I’m wrong, is also based on freedom of speech. Anyone can call any abuse at all “religious”. Doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do it. “Who cares?” How about the guy himself?

Adventurous1, “HE felt he shouldn’t have been circumcised without his consent. In that, he was imposing what he wished hadn’t been done to HIM.” You may call it “imposing”, I call it applying the Silver Rule: “Don’t do unto others as you wouldn’t have them to unto you.” (A better rule than the Golden one, by the way.)

Adventurous1
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 06:27 am: [report]

@puck You are mistaken on my purported bitterness on my husband’s preferences. Neither of my son’s were circumcised at birth because I personally had no strong feelings on the matter. With my medical background, I saw no medical reason (at the time) for or against the practice. However, I find current studies warrant pause as I’ve stated before. Even though drinking the water in Mexico may or may not give me dystentery, I prefer NOT to risk it. You know the chances of catching AIDS isn’t 100% but it is far safer to use a condom than risk it?

Yes, I am for the basic human freedoms. I have the luxury to feel that way because I live in a free society. However, I do know that there are many practices purported to be religiously associated but in fact are not. They are cultural. Female genitalia mutilation is one such practice.

To defer back to the original topic, this is strictly about aesthetics. Genitalia comes in all shapes and sizes. I personally do not find genitalia, in general, to be appealing to the eye. But, generally, women are not visual and men are.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 06:59 am: [report]

I can’t tell if you people arguing are women or not so it’s tough to know what angle to approach this. Either way, I’ll reiterate from way above. I’m happy with my circumcised pen0r. Fin.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 08:14 am: [report]

@hugh7 By the way, “Don’t do under others as you wouldn’t have them do unto you”? Doesn’t a double negative cancel each other out? Doesn’t that mean you just said, “Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you” which IS, in fact, the very rule you disparage?

Adventurous1
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 08:15 am: [report]

“unto others” rather. Please forgive my typographical error as I was laughing very hard at the irony…

Hugh7
wrote on June 3 2009 @ 04:46 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1: No. They are different rules. One is about doing, the other is about not doing. “Thou shalt have sex with thy spouse” does not actually prohibit adultery.

MariusSilverwolf
wrote on June 17 2009 @ 11:40 am: [report]

Well, as a married man, I can’t claim much experience with looking at another penis. My wife says she’s seem the tiny ones, small enough to where she “couldn’t tell he was in”, and she doesn’t envy those poor guys.

On the energetic side-topic of cut versus uncut, all I have to say is this; I’m sensitive enough without my foreskin. I shudder to think of how much less control I would have with it.

As for the procedure itself on newborn boys, I don’t know where the facts are coming from, but in the hospital where my wife had my son, a local anesthetic IS used. The only thing my son had to fuss about was being restrained, but since he was also getting his full dose of shots and tests at the time, that was going to happen anyway. My wife and I discussed the matter at length, and she researched everything she could on the subject. In the end, with enough articles out there from reputable studies indicating there are no negatives from being circumcised and potential negatives from not, we opted for it.

There are militant believers on both sides. Some of them get their panties in a bunch and start tossing accusations through article comments or message boards at people they’ve never met and wouldn’t ever recognize on the street. That doesn’t serve to convince me that their argument has merit, only that they get easily worked up over a relatively (big picture here people, big picture) inconsequential thing.

Here’s what circumcised and uncircumcised penes have in common:
* The man can urinate
* The man can become erect
* The man can ejaculate

Wow. I tell ya, what a big difference it makes. Whoo. Glad it’s causing such an uproar.

Hugh7
wrote on June 17 2009 @ 07:36 pm: [report]

@MariusSilverWolf: “I’m sensitive enough without my foreskin. I shudder to think of how much less control I would have with it.” May we take it from that that you don’t think you have enough control now? Perhaps that’s because you’re circumcised. More nerves means more feedback means more control. It’s not the amount of sensitivity, it’s the quality.

And I’m sure the frisky ladies here will tell you that there’s more to sex than being able to become erect and to ejaculate. Maybe that’s why Europeans are reputed to be better lovers.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 18 2009 @ 03:39 am: [report]

@hugh7 While I agree that there is more to sex than (the male) being able to become erect and ejaculate, how exactly do you feel being UNcircumcised improves sex for the frisky ladies (or any other ladies) since you seem intent on espousing its virtues? It seems to me that all the (male) defenders of non-circumcision focus on is THEIR feelings on the matter or THEIR benefits.

MariusSilverwolf
wrote on June 18 2009 @ 07:58 am: [report]

Hugh, so you contend now that one’s ability as a lover hinges entirely upon the presence of a flap of skin?

Ladies, you heard it here first! Men gain all their ability from their intact foreskin!

Oh, and Hugh, my wife is one very happy, very satisfied, very sated woman who is also prone to hypersensitivity. Feeling like burning sandpaper is grinding against sensitive parts after anything more than 15 minutes is apparently a big turnoff. Who knew?

Hugh7
wrote on June 18 2009 @ 04:21 pm: [report]

Marius, that’s called a “straw man” argument. That’s not what I said. And the rolling action of an intact penis is just the reverse of the “burning sandpaper” you describe.
http://www.circumstitions.com/Brag-text1.html#linda

LoLLyRed
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 04:42 pm: [report]

god what is wrong with all of you. its a tiny flap of skin, i never even knew i had one until i was told i was missing it. Being circumsized has not in any way wounded me mentally or physically, why should anyone get so angry over a tiny piece of skin.

MUTILATION??!? you have to be joking. apparently i’ve mutilated my knees hundreds of times falling down. any time i’ve ever damaged any skin or had to get stitches i’ve been MUTILATED?!?! AHH MAH GAHD poor me.

i look at it like this.
1. i never had to worry about working back tight foreskin to clean anything smelly. i’ve read children can’t pull their foreskin back for years and that it can be very uncomfortable. “just one less thing” (forrest gump)

2. my penis is not intended for me, my penis is the embodiment of my desire to please someone i care for. don’t get me wrong i love my penis but i don’t love it because of what little bit of skin it has/lacks. i love it because of the amazing things it can do, the amazing things it lets me feel and the amazing feelings i can transfer to someone i care deeply for. from this perspective it is logical to tailor the penis towards “HER PLEASURE”. especially since it has had no negative effect on me whatsoever. Being circumsized decreases sensation? Sounds debatable but some people BUY condoms that decrease male sensation so they can last longer. I’ve never been #&@$% and thought “god this is taking too long, i wish my cock was more sensitive.”

Bitching about circumsion sounds incredibly selfish to me. its not always about YOU. YOUR not the one tasting it. sex ends when YOU cum anyway, why not give your girl a chance to? most girls don’t have a time limit, as long as they’re wet, they can keep having orgasms. I on the other hand get soft for at least a few minutes when I finish. maybe i’m an odd one but, i LIKE hearing my girl moan and i LIKE feeling her tense and i LOVE knowing she’s feeling it too.

mental, visual, physical, who cares. as long as the sheets are #&@$% soaked when she leaves nothing else matters.

MissJennLynn
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 05:03 pm: [report]

@lollyred: THANK. YOU. well said.

MissJennLynn
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 05:12 pm: [report]

@puck: i don’t even remember what i said, its been so long since i’ve checked this article. i think it’s extremely hilarious that you seem to glean satisfaction from something i’ve said, something i’m not even invested in. my point was merely that is a personal decision that families have the right to make on their own and it is in no way similar to FGM.

i’m happy that you’re able to get your #&@$% and giggles, though. congrats! what an accomplishment XOXO

PinkRanger
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 05:24 pm: [report]

I just want to reiterate how inapropriate it is to compare female genital mutilation with male circumcision. FGM is often *not always of course* done when the girl hits puberty, traumatizing her physically and mentally in ways that cut guys are NOT. And yes, there are many different types of FGM, but it is these terrible misogynistic procedures that we protest. Not to mention that it is used as a tool to oppress women, forcing them to never derive pleasure from sex in an attempt to keep them “pure” and “faithful”. I find it so off-putting to hear men compare the two. It would be as if I tried to compare myself to starving children just because I can only afford half of my usual groceries this month.

I don’t feel I know enough about the issue of male circumcision to really form an opinion in my mind on it, but it really doesn’t matter! Just love your penis haha.

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 05:41 pm: [report]

@Lollyred

Have you ever seen a baby circumcision performed? I’m sorry but anyone who can sit through the following video and STILL not see it as a form of mutilation has got to be kidding themselves.

Routine Infant Circumcision—

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/163488?fr=yvmtf

LoLLyRed
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:03 pm: [report]

i’m not gonna watch that #&@$%, thats sick. i’ve never seen alot of harmless procedures performed but most of them would still be found offensive to a passerby.

what about a baby born with a cleft lip getting it surgically corrected? definitely more flesh being altered there yet would anyone call that mutilation?

the skin on a penis is soooo thin, i doubt there is any procedure that removes so little from the body. especially considering the size of an infant.

i define mutilation as leaving the victim misshapen in some way that will negatively effect the rest of the victims life. that ranges from scars that leave somebody insecure/embarrassed to the texas chainsaw massacre.

TotallyRidiculous
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:04 pm: [report]

I just want to add something I think is interesting. I really don’t have a strong opinion about circumcising babies, but I do know a thing or two about ADULT circumcision. I used to work in a medical office and sometimes adult men would get circumcised. It was horrible for them. Much worse than if they’d had it done as babies and here is why: they could get hard. If they got hard while they were healing it was very painful. Here’s why they had it done: very rarely for aesthetics (btw insurance doesn’t cover it, of course), MUCH more commonly because of hygiene. Plenty (most, I hope) of men take good care of their penis and move back the foreskin to wash it, but, unfortunately, many also don’t. Usually the ones who don’t are very old men who have just sort of let themselves go, as some elderly people do. They would get horrible infections, so bad their foreskins couldn’t even be pulled back, which also means if they got an erection it was horribly painful. These guys had to get it done because basically, there wasn’t much of an alternative. No clue if their insurance covered. I’m guessing not.
I’m not saying everyone should get it done just because a few men are dirty, but I am saying that it is one reason it is done, it’s not a totally outrageous reason, and one reason adults have to have it done. Kind of avoiding possible excruciating pain by causing a little now. Even though it might only be a small possibility (who wants to think their son is going to grow up to be filthy?).

That said: seriously, Pencil dick is the WORST. I’ll take a short but thick one over a long skinny one any day. They are like little (or giant!) worms. I kid you not. Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. If I can’t even make a fist around it because it is so skinny then…ughhhhh. I’ve also seen one that was wicked ugly…funny coloring, funny wrinkling, really pointy head.

LoLLyRed
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:35 pm: [report]

Ever had a bone set? i compete every year in at least a dozen or so snowboarding competitions and i have broken many a bone, some have to be set right before the healing process can begin. my left arm has been broken twice, my right elbow once, i’ve cracked ribs, and broken my left foot in HALF skateboarding.

Trust me NO amount of anesthetics can block the pain of getting a bone set, but no one can argue that the benefits/the end result of the setting, casting, and healing process aren’t well worth the temporary pain.

considering i don’t even REMEMBER the pain of circumcision but am REAPING all the benefits now, i’d say it’s very similar if not substantially less dramatic than getting a bone set.

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:43 pm: [report]

i’m not gonna watch that #&@$%, thats sick.

^^imo, the procedure is sick.

what about a baby born with a cleft lip getting it surgically corrected? definitely more flesh being altered there yet would anyone call that mutilation?

^^^you can’t possibly be comparing a cleft lip to intact foreskin…right?

i define mutilation as leaving the victim misshapen in some way that will negatively effect the rest of the victims life. that ranges from scars that leave somebody insecure/embarrassed to the texas chainsaw massacre.

^^^ok. semantics. instead of mutilation i’ll just say torture. or to afflict pain upon. or perhaps lacerate. to make it sound even better i’ll even leave it at agonize. however, considering the fact that circumcision is an unnecessary procedure involving a person’s genitalia, i’m just not sure i could put my newborn through something that seemed so painful. i don’t care if it is a small amount of skin or if the procedure lasts for two minutes. if there’s no medical need for it at birth and if its not to correct a deformity then its a no go for any of my future children. even five seconds of pain is not worth them having what some consider to be a “cute” penis. i know it has to burn like hell every time they urinate in their diaper smh.

as far as the aesthetics, i have no problem with uncut guys. i’ve dated both cut and uncut and i actually prefer uncut…more skin = more fun lol. i’m american so i’m sure i’m the exception. my current bf is uncut and the bf before him was uncut as well. i have never seen any smegma on either of their penises and neither of them emitted any weird or nasty smells. maybe i just choose to date men who have good hygiene. whether dating cut or uncut, i hope all women would set those standards.

on the flip side, my current bf (who’s uncut) says that if we were to have children some day he wants our sons to be circumcised. he feels as if he went through hell as a teenager because his penis was “different” according to teenage girls. in response i told him that he’s been around the block a few times so the discomfort he felt about the aesthetics of his peen didn’t seem to stop him from getting a lot of action lol.

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:48 pm: [report]

@lollyred

my problem with your argument is that you act as if not being circumcised is a deformity. comparing it to cleft lips and broken bones? its not the same thing. cleft lips are a deformity and there is a medical necessity to having your bone set. circumcision doesn’t fall under those categories.

if you want to compare it to anything compare it to cosmetic surgery.

CatGoesNomNom
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 06:49 pm: [report]

@LoLLyRed, you are kind of awesome. “YOUR not the one tasting it.” I don’t think I’ve read or heard a guy show empathy about what a girl goes through down there, honestly. It’s awesome and fun and lovely to do, but seriously there are some issues that can go along with it, and it’s nice to see a guy be aware of that.

Also, though I’m not an expert on circumcision (who the eff is? Oh maybe hugh7) I’m pretty sure that most of them are done in hospitals using some sort of anesthetic. The crying and so-called discomfort of the baby stems from being held down. Also, as LollyRed said, no male remembers being circumcised. I think people should direct their time and effort elsewhere, like maybe FEMALE MUTILATION? SAVE THE CLIT!

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 07:00 pm: [report]

Also, though I’m not an expert on circumcision (who the eff is? Oh maybe hugh7) I’m pretty sure that most of them are done in hospitals using some sort of anesthetic.

^^wrong. actually most don’t use anesthesia. if i’m not mistaken only about 45% of hospitals use anesthesia during circumcision. additionally the pain is so severe that anesthesia usually doesn’t relieve the infant of all pain resulting from the procedure. despite the fact that its a only lacerating the foreskin, which is relatively small, due to the nerve endings the procedure is EXTREMELY painful for newborn boys.

LoLLyRed
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 07:06 pm: [report]

@Anonymiss

see i like that answer, you prefer uncircumcised penises. i doubt anyone has a problem with that. but you can’t tell people they are mutilating their child when its really a few simple incisions done with the child’s interest at hand. my comparison to the cleft lip is just to show the severity of the procedure and the misuse of the word “mutilation”

Now that we have our fire out of the way we can finally use this forum for what its for. you state “even five seconds of pain is not worth them having what some consider to be a “cute” penis”. I could never agree with you here. this is because we are different people. i think 10 days of pain(which i read is the standard healing term) while an infant is nothing to pay for a more aesthetically appealing penis. i suspect we have severely different upbringings. i grew up with (still growing up) 2 sisters and 4 brothers. in my house you have to make sacrifices before you can get what you want. a little pain here and there is all part of the game.

As of now, where i live, most girls like the look and feel of a circumcised penis. because of this, i will circumcise my son(s). i think 10 days of pain he will never remember while being carefully cleaned and monitored will be well worth it when he’s 14, terrified, insecure, and standing naked in front of some girl. Maybe one day, he’ll thank me for it. if he grows up and gets angry that i cut off his tiny flap of skin, then i would have raised a ridiculously sensitive little pussy anyway.

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 07:10 pm: [report]

perhaps if i was guaranteed that my child would not go through any pain at all both during the surgery and during the healing process, then i would consider allowing them to be circumcised. however, i know that type of guarantee is highly unlikely.

my only concern is that too many parents have no clue about what happens with routine baby circumcisions, how they are medically unnecessary, and the fact that the procedure is very painful for the child. those who argue that the kid doesn’t remember it—so what? babies aren’t capable of remembering anything at that age. its not as if they don’t remember it because it wasn’t significant.

anyway, i’m done. i respect everyone’s opinions regardless of if they feel circumcision is the way to go or not. now that i’ve voiced mine i’ll leave the topic alone.

AnonyMISS
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 07:18 pm: [report]

if he grows up and gets angry that i cut off his tiny flap of skin, then i would have raised a ridiculously sensitive little pussy anyway.

^^lol. i actually agree with you here.

Hugh7
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 10:00 pm: [report]

It may be tiny when he’s a baby, but it’s 15 sq in (100sqcm) on a man:
http://www.circumstitions.com/Notjustaflap.html
(The eyelid is also “just a flap of skin”: size isn’t everything.)

LoLLyRed, your son probably won’t live where you do, and he certainly won’t be a man now: you have no idea what women will prefer when he grows up and where he ends up.

When you compare apples with apples, tribal with tribal, MGC and FGC are quite comparable: ELEVEN boys have died from circumcision in the Eastern Cape Province alone in the last few weeks, 30-40 die there each year, and more lose their penis. How much worse can it get?

LoLLyRed
wrote on June 21 2009 @ 10:10 pm: [report]

mmmmm how many Eff ups have occurred in the states is more relevant to me. i don’t know what or where the eastern cape province is.

your right on the changing of times though, i will try and stick with them and only do whatever i think is best for my son.

the deal with circumcision is you can go wrong both ways. if you don’t circumcise your son he may feel awkward and develop complexes in his teen/early adulthood years. also if he decides to do it later it will be EXTREMELY painful due to erections breaking the healing tissue.
however if you do circumsize him he may decide later in life you made a bad call and feel like he’s missing his foreskin forever.

either way you are forcing your own values, views, and wishes onto your son.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 22 2009 @ 10:21 am: [report]

Thank you very much, LoLLyRed! I as much as said the same thing previously:

“I believe that it is just as egotistical no matter WHICH side of the arguement you are on. A parent who is asserting NOT to circumcise is STILL making a decision based upon their own belief system.”

There are many less technologically advanced civilizations wherein newborns die of complications that, had they the technology, knowledge or supplies to provide basic care, may otherwise have survived. South Africa is hardly such. If Hugh7 would provide similar statistics for a comparable country, perhaps that would further his point better? FGC is NOT practiced in UK or the US, nor any major European countries to my knowledge.

Hugh7
wrote on June 23 2009 @ 01:51 am: [report]

What is the second thing they usually tell new parents? “He’s perfect.” Being born with a foreskin and leaving it on him are the default settings. It is circumcision that has to prove itself, not leaving the baby alone. In the rest of the English-speaking world circumcision is not offered, and in many countries parents would be outraged at the idea. No decision needs to be made.

If erections are going to “break the healing tissue” in an adult circumcision, then obviously it’s going to be too tight when it’s healed. Is it supposed to ring like a chime? Circumcising an adult can be much more accurate than a baby (like writing on a balloon), and the adult can specify what he wants. The claim that it’s “more risky” etc. has no basis in fact.

Adventurous1 is right, FGC is outlawed in most of the western world - no matter how minor, sterile, surgical, anaesthetised, and non-clitoral - it’s a pure double standard - but if those conditions were fulfilled, you can be reasonably sure that the complication rate would be comparable to that of MGC.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 25 2009 @ 08:44 pm: [report]

Everyone here bespeaks the issue from circumcision at birth or as an adult as the only options. Neither of my sons were circumcised at birth. In the country where my former husband is from, it is considered somewhat a “rite of passage” to undergo it at that age vs. having it done at birth.

At the age of 7, my eldest decided, along with his cousins of the same age, that they were ready to have it done. In the end, after informing him of all the pro’s and con’s, I left it to him to decide.

I asked him if he ever regretted it and he said he was glad not to be “different” that way any more. Other American children tended to tease him as a result of it. (Thus the social ramifications I indicated in a previous comment.) My son also says now that there are far greater things to be concerned with than some stupid flap of skin. (He has an IQ of 185)

CraftLass
wrote on June 25 2009 @ 09:52 pm: [report]

Way late to this party, and I have basically no opinion on circumcision as I am a woman who does not plan to bear children so it’s just not something I know about well enough, but all the golf pencil comments reminded me of one of my first lovers. His started out like that, but when hard, grew massively in length but not at all in girth (in other words, all wrong, at least for me and my own size). At the time I didn’t have much to compare it to, but now it strikes me as quite odd. The nickname all the girls gave him? Pencil d**k.

Honestly, I don’t care if anyone talks about my body parts, so I don’t find any double-standard in this topic, plus no one is naming names, so it’s not all that personal. We’re human, we look, we comment. It’s making people feel rotten about themselves by being gratuitously and personally mean that’s a problem.

In fact, by sharing we’re all learning that odd penises are a fairly common thing instead of something to be embarassed about!

Adventurous1
wrote on June 26 2009 @ 06:10 am: [report]

@craftlass I agree with the thin penis issue. After being with men of average or better girth, I had the experience (later in life than you, apparently) of being with a man whose penis was so thin, it didn’t touch the sides. It was plenty long but thinner than I was accustomed to. Needless to say it made sex rather less enjoyable. Even when I finally adjusted inside to his width, I can’t say I’d ever do that again. I’ve also been with a man who had girth but very little length (4 inches at best). Even that was better than the long, skinny one.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on June 26 2009 @ 07:59 am: [report]

@Adventurous1: 185! Holy #&@$%, awesome in comparison to my paltry 140. I think it’s a stupid as well, but this belief was after the fact sadly. :( Whatevs. I like the look of it.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 26 2009 @ 08:03 am: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse He was assessed at the ripe age of 9 with that IQ, too. I told him he did it just to beat mine. I was 13 when I was told 176. I think it has declined with age since I remain here in this discussion. Boredom and morbid curiousity. Gets me every time. LOL

MsCakey
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 01:42 pm: [report]

@ alwaysMispelled .... you should maybe do some research. Watch a video of a circumcision and then compare it to teeth whitening or shaving. And really, who are you to tell anyone that their body is gross? I’m sure your body is quite perfect in every way imaginable, but I’m wondering how you’d feel if you were to get naked and have someone tell you that your pussy was gross. Personally, I think foreskin is way prettier than your attitude.

Hugh7
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 03:27 pm: [report]

“My son also says now that there are far greater things to be concerned with than some stupid flap of skin. (He has an IQ of 185)”

- which just underlines the failure of IQ as a measure of knowledge or wisdom. As I said a little while ago, the eyelid is also “just a flap of skin”: size isn’t everything.
http://www.circumstitions.com/Notjustaflap.html What’s stupid is cutting part off someone’s body to make him match someone else. And “far greater things”? There are ALWAYS far greater things. Civilization would collapse if everyone devoted all their attention to “the greatest thing”, whatever it is.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 04:28 pm: [report]

@Hugh7 Obviously, the most important thing to you IS your uncircumcised penis. I’m glad it makes you happy. Everyone is entitled to determine what is important in their lives. Just because people do not share your perceptions doesn’t make them less important. Nor is it a personal affront.

Get over yourself. Good grief.

Hugh7
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 04:48 pm: [report]

If your son was referring only to his own lost foreskin, he is of course entitled to devalue it as much as he likes (though it sounds like sour grapes). I was replying as if he were speaking in more general terms. Whatever, I have not mentioned my own penis - nor my own IQ.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 05:14 pm: [report]

@Hugh7 By the tone of your statements, no one else is correct on this issue. I believe you’ve made that abundantly clear. Reiterating your stand does not strengthen your argument. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who assumed you had a vested interest in the subject. How very progressive of you to be so aggressive in the defense of OTHER guy’s prerogative to choose without it being a personal issue for you.

@MsCakey You are definitely in the wrong blog if your concerns extend to people’s right to perceive beauty or ugliness. This is all about perception. You might as well attack the original article itself. Why not attack the author for the audacity of implying that ANY penis is odd?

Hugh7
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 06:01 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1: I am debating circumcision. If you want to debate personalities, you’re on your own. Progressive? I hope so. Aggressive? Your evidence?

“Why not attack the author for the audacity of implying that ANY penis is odd?” You have a point. I wonder how far this discussion would have got if the word “penis” had been replaced by the word “pussy”? But to consider a penis type shared by 7/10 of the world’s men to be odd, really is odd.

Symian
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 06:25 pm: [report]

I’ve only seen one uncircumcised penis, but it looked horrid and smelled funny and I walked away from that encounter. Now, I’ll let a guy know up front that it is a dealbreaker for me. I don’t know if it feels better or not, and it doesn’t matter. I love the look and feel of the cut man in my life and apparently he feels the same about me.

But I’m sure there are just as many women who love their men intact, and it all works out in the end because we’re all happy. Penis saves the day!

anatomization
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 06:34 pm: [report]

WOW…everyone is talking about looks/appearance and tossing around long held myths. It seems the real point is consent. When we talk about rape we talk about consent, when we talk about almost everything involving two or more people consent is always an issue. A child cannot consent, whether male or female or both. It does happen in nature sometimes. I don’t care much one way or the other. If a guy wants it done, then thats fine. If a woman wanted a labiaplasty id be fine with that, but autonomy is a big part of an individuals rights. Violated consent violates an individuals rights. Besides the only real reason this is done in america is because its a billion dollar industry, and the foreskins are sold to be made into everything from cosmetic skin creams to skin transplants. Im not that surprised that some women find it disguisting, ive known guys who wouldn’t have sex with or dumped their GF’s because they thought their naughty bits were gross.

landesign
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 06:39 pm: [report]

@Symian. If a guy doesn’t clean himself he’s bound to stink. Who was that encounter with, a vagrant?

marv3mania
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 06:52 pm: [report]

@Symian—Just out of curiosity, are you saying that you would let a small piece of skin overcome whatever chemistry you may have with a guy and whatever feelings you may have for him? Is it that much of a dealbreaker?

Symian
wrote on June 28 2009 @ 07:38 pm: [report]

It was with a seemingly nicely groomed young man. Granted, it was a while (more than five (10 heehee) years) ago, and time has made me aware that this (hygiene) isn’t an “all men” problem, just a “some men” problem.

@marv3mania, there aren’t many things that I consider to be dealbreakers, but yes, this is one of them. Although I know that a penis is a penis is a penis, I find them to be very unattractive. I don’t catch feelings for people very easily (was single for 7 years), so by the time I do, I’m well aware of the state of his member. I agree that this is no “real” reason for me to completely disregard such a large portion of the population, but just like everyone else, I should be allowed to set my own criteria for what I find to be attractive and desireable.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 05:13 pm: [report]

@Hugh7 “I wonder how far this discussion would have got if the word “penis” had been replaced by the word “pussy”? But to consider a penis type shared by 7/10 of the world’s men to be odd, really is odd.” In truth, that means that women are willing to limit their preferences which is, in fact, their prerogative.

Furthermore, guys have just as many preconceptions and preferences as women. I have many male friends and it surprised me that they cared as much as they did. Some preferring smaller labia; others fuller. Some prefer hairy; some not. I personally wouldn’t make my part smaller just to please another person. I think people have a lot of unnecessary surgery for cosmetic reasons. I also wouldn’t ask a guy to cut his foreskin for me. I’d just pass rather than take the risk…which is my prerogative.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 05:25 pm: [report]

@anatomization To be fair, pharmaceutical companies collect placenta from all over the world, too. I personally think that if people don’t want the foreskin (as some kind of grisly memento), I, for one, see nothing wrong with foreskin fibroblasts being used to grow and cultivate new cells that are then used for a variety of purposes from new skin for burn victims or to cover diabetic ulcers. As for cosmetics, <<shrug>> I find that personally distasteful but I don’t use those kinds of things. I’m lucky enough not to need it because of being half Asian.

Hugh7
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 06:24 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1: You missed everything anatomization said about CONSENT. If the foreskin’s OWNER doesn’t want it, that’s a very different thing from anyone else having a say. Placenta is quite different because it’s served its purpose to the owner and disconnects by itself.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 06:44 pm: [report]

@Hugh7 I did not miss everything what anatomization said about consent. As I stated before:

“I believe that it is just as egotistical no matter WHICH side of the arguement you are on. A parent who is asserting NOT to circumcise is STILL making a decision based upon their own belief system.”

Fact is, parents make decisions every day for their children. You aren’t taking exception to people who authorize medical care for their children which can, and sometimes do, have negative ramifications. You don’t take exception to the fact that any number of decisions, including, for example, death in the case of abortion, are made by people every day. Lawfully.

The law entitles and empowers parents to make these decisions on the part of their children. Children are not legally, psychologically nor mentally able to make any myriad of decisions which affect their lives. To compare it to rape, an unlawful and immoral act, is absolutely ridiculous. In fact, a 13 year old child may consent willingly to sex with someone 18 or older and it is still “statutory” rape in most places.

And this article isn’t about “consent”. This article is about appearances. It’s about personal preferences. Between adults. Since this site requires one to be of a certain age, one must assume they’re not soliciting the opinions of children below that age.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 06:46 pm: [report]

In cases of voluntary circumcision, the foreskin, like the placenta, has been discarded as having served its purpose. The law recognizes the parent’s right to choose that on behalf of their children.

Hugh7
wrote on June 29 2009 @ 09:59 pm: [report]

The law only recognises it by default: cutting healthy non-renewable parts off babies is illegal, and a de-facto exception is made for the infant male foreskin only because people have been doing it for a long time, and it hasn’t yet been put to a full legal test. (People kept slaves for a long time, too, till that was made illegal. Some day they will look on circumcision in the same light.) It confuses the issue to call it “voluntary” (or “elective”) when the owner is not the one volunteering or electing.

A parent is not being “egotistical” or “making a decision based on their own belief system” when they say “This is not my decision to make: it’s his body and he can decide for himself when he’s old enough.” (And very, very few adults choose to be circumcised, especially when they’re not in cultures where there is a lot of peer pressure.)

Tiberian
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 02:17 am: [report]

First of all I’m really glad my parents circumsized me. My father’s parents did not circumsize him and he developed an infection on the tip of his penis in his late 30’s and had to get it done. Keep it clean and you’ll have no problems? That’s just not the case. He is a very clean person. Blank happens as they say. Difference is he remembered the pain, I did not. I heard tons of similar stories. The cervical cancer connection to uncircumsized penises is well established. The only thing is just because there are statistically significant health benefits to male circumcision does not mean the over all monetary costs to circumsizing all male babies saves the insurance companies money over all. Its more cost effective to treat your cancer later than circumsize x amount of infants. Many will not pay for it anymore because of that. I say have it done anyway.

I know I try and keep myself neat and tidy down there. Usually I like to keep my penis and the area around completely shaved. Not sure how common that is or if the women here would find that odd. I don’t have problems with ingrown hairs since I use an excellent personal shaver. Never asked if my partners have liked this but I feel better about things if I’m clean looking. I’m a little over 6.5 inches in length and a little over 5.5 inches in circumfrence over most of my penis. The head mushrooms slightly so is bit wider and I have a thicker band around the base compared to the shaft. Not huge but I’ve never heard any complaints either. I guess every guy wishes he could be bigger but I think most ladies would be ok with that.

Symian
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 07:47 am: [report]

I truely fail to see how a simple circumcision can EVER be compared to slavery. Seriously, I’ve thought about it a lot, and I simply can’t link thesse two items together. Are babies that get snipped destined to work in fields with no pay and sh!tty living conditions? Or are we saying that slavery in as insignificant as a five minute, non-invasive surgical procedure? Really, slavery?

It’s unfair of anyone to criticize a parent’s decision based on their beliefs and what they think is right. I’m glad I had a little girl, but had it been a boy I can’t see myself trying to figure out how to clean that little thing. I seriously doubt that a large population of the snipped ones are recieveing counseling because they miss this little piece of skin.

@Tiberian- Yay for shaved men whose crotches don’t smell like underarms! Even on a meticulously clean man, a day in Las Vegas at 117 degrees will give damn near anyone swamp crotch, seems like the less hair, the better!

Slavery! I’m still in shock!

Hugh7
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 03:28 pm: [report]

Symian should look up the word “analogous”. It does not mean “identical”.

* They don’t put shackles around babies’ legs when they circumcise them (only Velcro straps).
* They don’t whip the babies.
* They don’t cut part of their bodies off. Um…oh yeah.

Circumcision and slavery are alike in that
* one person treats another as if they own them
* there was a time when both were widely accepted.
* Some day both will be no more and people will wonder how anyone could tolerate them. We just happen to be part way through that time.

If Symian thinks circumcision is “non-invasive” she has either never seen a circumcision (and it seems she’s only ever glimpsed one foreskin) or she has no idea what “invasive” means.

“It’s unfair of anyone to criticize a parent’s decision based on their beliefs and what they think is right.” So sincerity is the only test - never mind what they actually do, as long as they really, truly believe in it?

Adventurous1
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 04:14 pm: [report]

Circumcision and slavery are alike in that
* one person treats another as if they own them
* there was a time when both were widely accepted.
* Some day both will be no more and people will wonder how anyone could tolerate them. We just happen to be part way through that time.

By those very broad critieria, you could say marriage is like circumcision.

Most parents do not look at their newborn baby son’s penis and say, “I’m going to do this because I own him and nobody’s going to stop me.” That’s absolutely ludicrous. The parents believe they are doing the right thing by the child. And the law AGREES that they have that right. Besides, circumcision is MORE widespread TODAY that it was 100 years ago. Yes, it could be considered part way through the time but that could be said ONE DAY after it begins and ONLY if you’re clairvoyant and KNOW with 100% certainty that this time will actually end one day.

As much as it pains me, I have to agree with Hugh7 on non-invasive (Sorry Symian). Circumcision would be considered minimally invasive, rather than non-invasive because it does involve small incisions in the skin.

bumbler
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 04:36 pm: [report]

How is circumcision like the holocaust? I want to see how far we can reach. Maybe circumcision and the apocalypse?

Let’s talk about parents that have their children’s ears tacked back before they start school too. That is like the crusades.

Infamous
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 04:56 pm: [report]

How did this turn into an ethical debate? Whatever.

I dated a guy who was born and raised until he was 12 in Costa Rica. He got circumcised when he moved here because he wanted a more aesthetically pleasing wanger. And never regretted his decision. I’m just stating.

MsCakey
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 05:13 pm: [report]

@ Adventurous1. To me, there’s a difference between having a personal preference and blatantly telling someone that their body is gross. I have no issue with the suggestion that any penis is odd (I’ve seen a few odd ones.) I do have an issue with unwarranted rude and demeaning behaviour.

Symian
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 05:30 pm: [report]

@bumbler, apparently a circumcision is like when you take a baby slave during an apocolyptic holocaust and poke him with pins while making him eat old meatloaf.

According to merriam webster, invasive is defined in this sense as “involving entry into the living body (as by incision or by insertion of an instrument)”. True enough, I’ve only seen one live unsnipped one, so Please Please PLEASE adventurous1, tell me what part of the body they ENTER INTO to perform a circumcision. In my little experience, I was almost positive that the foreskin was on the outside of the penis which is outside of the body. In order to be invasive, like merriam says, you must enter into the body.

And just to throw it out there, slavery is still accepted in may parts of the world. If that hasn’t changed in the past 5000 years, I doubt that the practice of circumcision (which has been around since Moses) is going anywhere. (This is about as close as you can put these two in my opinion.

In the end, it doesn’t matter who posts what how many times. No one’s opinion is more valid than anyone else’s. Some parents circumcise for religious reasons, some circumcise for aesthetic reasons, some do it for cleanliness, and some choose not to do it at all. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like it, the only dong you have control over at this point is your own, and if you love it and your woman loves it, that’s all that matters.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 07:20 pm: [report]

@Symian I consult medical texts for this one: “Noninvasive surgery is defined as any surgical procedure that does not require penetration into the body either through an incision, cut, or piercing through the skin or by entering into a body cavity. Not to be confused with minimally invasive surgery, which can involve small incisions and instruments entering the body, noninvasive surgery is generally limited in scope.

Examples of commonly preformed noninvasive surgery are laser surgery and dermatological procedures. Laser surgery is a surgical procedure in which a laser light beam is used to heat cells or tissue with the intent of manipulating or bursting them. Noninvasively, laser surgery can be preformed to shrink tumors; remove moles, warts, and other skin blemishes; remove hair; and reduce wrinkles in the skin. Lasik eye surgery is another form of non-invasive surgery that uses a laser to reshape the cornea to correct vision problems. Lasers are also frequently used in combination with invasive surgical procedures as a way to seal blood vessels and minimize blood loss.” As to your question, once the skin is breached, you have “entered” the body. Circumcision breaks the skin and passes through, breaking it as well on the other side when the scalpel exits.

I only post this because you asked. And you’re right, no one’s opinion is more valid than anyone else’s. At least, in a free society.

Adventurous1
wrote on June 30 2009 @ 07:29 pm: [report]

@MsCakey So you felt she/he could have phrased it better. I can understand that. Politeness and the art of dissembling is a lost art, unfortunately.

Tiberian
wrote on July 17 2009 @ 06:57 am: [report]

Anybody actually have some experiences to talk about?

Hugh7
wrote on July 17 2009 @ 03:15 pm: [report]

One reason it’s odd of anyone to describe an intact penis (the kind 7/10 of the men in the world have) as odd, is that there are much odder penises around.
* surgically constructed for FtoM transsexuals
* hypospadias, with the urethra opening anywhere along the underside
* bent over at the tip
* subincised, split all along the underside
* bifurcated, an extreme body modification

And Syrian and Adventurous1, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some opinions have no validity whatever. eg: that the sun goes around the earth; that the earth is 6000 years old; that all opinions are equally valid.

Adventurous1
wrote on July 17 2009 @ 06:58 pm: [report]

@Hugh7 So now you’re the expert on degrees of oddity? LOL Still does not change the assertion or the perception that many, many people find an uncircumcised penis odd. And many, many other people do not. It’s a personal preference and perception. You marching a long list of other oddities does not change people’s perceptions. The amount of energy you expend trying to alter people’s perceptions must be exhausting….

Hugh7
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 03:23 pm: [report]

@Adventurous1. I think most people would agree that any of the penises I mentioned are more odd than the penis that every male is born with and 70% get to keep.

What is odd is that a significant number of people (mainly in the US) get to see so many with part cut off and so few complete ones that they think the former is normal and the latter is “odd”.

_jsw_
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 03:56 pm: [report]

@Hugh7: I’m also uncircumcised. I’m also glad I am. I’ve never had anyone I’ve been with have an issue with it. But... this is just beating a dead horse. I understand your points. By now, anyone surely must understand them. But it’s a religious issue, both literally and figuratively, and you’re just not going to change minds.

As a similar (and yes, I know, much less permanent) example, almost all people have armpit hair. American women almost all shave it. American men are used to women without armpit hair. This neither makes armpit hair unnatural nor makes the aesthetic interest in having/seeing it shaved off wrong.

Hugh7
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 04:35 pm: [report]

@_jsw_: I largely agree. “By now, anyone surely must understand them.” Wouldn’t you think? Your analogy is a good one: does anyone think armpit hair is “odd”?

Adventurous1
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 05:43 pm: [report]

@_jsw_ I would contest your point that almost all people have armpit hair. Of the three primary races of man, Mongoloids, under which fall: Eastern Siberians, Eskimos and the Northern American Indians, The Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, The Indonesians and Malays, do not grow armpit hair or grow it sparsely. They are also known to have very little body hair. Indeed, it is “odd” to have armpit hair for them. That is roughly one third of the world’s population. Most don’t even have to use deodorant either. They have less sebaceous glands.

_jsw_
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 06:20 pm: [report]

*slaps forehead*

It was an analogy. If you check Wikipedia, which I’ll assert is a good enough reference for now, 95% of Americans over the age of 18 have substantial armpit hair, and 99% have at least some. However, I’d argue that most American women shave their armpits with at least some regularity. So, if you substitute “almost all American women” for “almost all people” in my comment above, the analogy stands.

My point is simply that what occurs naturally is not always what is deemed most aesthetically pleasing. I’m not going to get into the medical pros and cons of circumcision, since, well, volumes have been written in this thread alone. And I won’t get into it being “odd” or not, since that’s in the eye (or elsewhere) of the beholder.

Adventurous1
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 06:40 pm: [report]

Since you have used Wikipedia as a resource:

Removal of the hair from the underarms was part of a collection of hygienic or cosmetic practices enjoined by Muhammad (570-632) as consistent with Fitra for both men and women and has since usually been regarded as a requirement by most Muslims.[1]

In the West, the practice began around 1915 in the US and UK, when one or more magazines showed a woman in a dress with shaved underarms[citation needed]. Regular shaving became feasible with the introduction of the safety razor at the beginning of the 20th century[citation needed]. While underarm shaving was quickly adopted in English speaking countries, especially in the US and Canada, it did not become widespread on the Continent of Europe until well after World War II.[2]

Today, in many countries, especially in much of the Western world, it is more common for women than men to shave off their underarm hair regularly for aesthetic reasons, a practice that may be connected to the overall body hair distribution of sexes[citation needed]. Prevalence of this practice varies widely, though. Religious reasons are sometimes cited; in Islamic culture, both men and women practice the removal of underarm hair for religious beliefs.

It would appear, this, too, began as a religious observance which has become a cultural affection.

Adventurous1
wrote on July 18 2009 @ 06:42 pm: [report]

Correction of typo at end: Affectation, affection. Apologies.

retro chic
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 10:09 am: [report]

Can international accord be reached with the stip that A Dead Horse has the oddest penis…

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 11:23 am: [report]

@retro chic: I can’t believe you’ve just opened this up to: (a) animal circumcision rants; (b) discussions of various penises of the animal kingdom; (c) animal cruelty -> PETA -> Vegan lifestyles -> sweaters for dogs -> Sarah Palin -> whether the lunar landings were faked.

Thanks. That can of worms can’t be closed back up.

retro chic
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 12:46 pm: [report]

Shhh. Just don’t tell Hugh7 up there, K? Plus, the article didn’t specify human-only. And who cares about those crazies even if they are right. Besides, worms don’t have penises, silly.
[nice coming home to this right after an hour-and-a-half of spiritual nourishment, thank *you* so much, too]

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:01 pm: [report]

Eunuch’s have the oddest penis.

I win the intertubes, also you’re welcome.

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:09 pm: [report]

Other than those born with diphalia (use care when Googling that), doesn’t every man have an odd penis?

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:14 pm: [report]

And the Googling for the comment above led me to “genital bisection”. I’m now touch-typing this entry, because my eyes are gone.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:17 pm: [report]

@jsw: Yeah, I’m not gonna fall for that old trick of the internets. Unless you can accurately describe what a lemon party is and can honestly say that what you mentioned is worse.

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:23 pm: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse: “diphalia’ is just a condition where men have two penises. It’s rare, it’s unusual, but it’s not too disgusting. Genital bisection, well… if a lemon party is worse than that, I don’t want to know.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:28 pm: [report]

@Jsw: I’ve come across diphalia before through pictures. I’m also familiar with latin roots, lets just say I’m familiar with this concept.

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:38 pm: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse: I figured as much.

On the other hand, dye-phalia is pretty cool, what with the coloring and all.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:46 pm: [report]

Nah, I prefer autophalic stimulation, dyes would leave an undesired aftereffect.

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:50 pm: [report]

You’re more of a man than I. Every time I try that, the exhaust pipe burns me. Maybe I should not leave the car running….

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 01:53 pm: [report]

Dude, latin roots. Auto does not mean car. However I know where you were going….

http://jalopnik.com/5268014/man-admits-to-sex-with-thousands-of-cars-has-pics-to-prove-it

_jsw_
wrote on July 19 2009 @ 02:05 pm: [report]

Actually, my roots are mostly German and UK-ish, although I don’t know what that has to do with anything.

And that guy in the link is a real slut. He obviously doesn’t care much for any of them, no matter what he says.

cherikee
wrote on July 29 2009 @ 02:13 pm: [report]

Circumcision is ABSOLUTE MUTILATION! It is EXACTLY like rape. It should be ILLEGAL. I am absolutely offended that my parents had me circumcised. I would sue them but I couldn’t do that to them. If any animal rights activists circumcise their children, then they are hypocrites. The only reason that American women think uncircumcised is weird is because they are not used to it. If it was the standard, then it would be normal and circumcised would be weird looking. A circumcised penis smells too if you don’t wash it. They smell the same, they taste the same. An uncircumcised penis is no more likely to give a woman cervical cancer or any other disease, that is totally stupid. You have to have HPV to do that. A man that is uncircumcised can have sex for a million years and NEVER, EVER, give a woman any cancer or disease, as long as he is disease free. You want a circumcised penis because it LOOKS better? You are cruel and heartless. Do you want your hood cut off so your clitoris can rub against your jeans for life, lessening your sensitivity? Sure, a circumcised penis is usable, but it is still wrong. Period. Now excuse me, I’m going to go punch my mother in the face. Just kidding…...

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 29 2009 @ 02:18 pm: [report]

Ugh, when with this thread die? And circumcision is not absolute mutilation, I had it done, and I’m happy with my dick.

Either be a man or go suck a uncirced fatty to get over it.

bumbler
wrote on July 29 2009 @ 02:30 pm: [report]

bump?

_jsw_
wrote on July 29 2009 @ 02:57 pm: [report]

No bumps, but I have an uncirced fatty, open to anyone who wants to get over it.

Adventurous1
wrote on July 29 2009 @ 03:19 pm: [report]

@ CheeeeEEEEse & _jsw_

ROTF LMAO

dancerr10
wrote on July 30 2009 @ 11:23 pm: [report]

o boyyyyy

seriously the whole circumcision debate is a little over the top.

who cares?

you have what you have, it functions, RIGHT?!?!

wonderfultonight
wrote on July 31 2009 @ 12:10 am: [report]

My worst was a guy that was both small and…um…flaccid. I thought it would be all right once we got going, but he suddenly said “that was beautiful.” I was dumbfounded - he had cum and gone and I didn’t even realize we’d started.!

Kristyn
wrote on August 3 2009 @ 03:55 am: [report]

My ex boyfriend had shut his in the door somehow at a young age (I don’t know how he managed to do that… curiosity?) and it was oddly misshapen. Of course, that could have been an excuse for a natural deformity. I’ll never know.

HDS1963
wrote on September 2 2009 @ 04:17 am: [report]

The unnecessary circumcision of infant males is barbaric, end of.

The foreskin is not there by accident, it is there to protect the sensitive glans of the penis.

What this debate speaks towards is the innate contempt for the male body in society, where it is valued less than the female.

If we work on a direct comparison, the clitoris itself has a foreskin or prepuce. It is there to protect the clitoris from becoming over stimulated. If it were routine to remove this, to use other’s words here “unnecessary flap of skin” from a woman on a regular basis, women would be in uproar.

The facts are that if you removed it, the clitoris would become less sensitive. In a similar way to the way hard areas of skin develop in areas of the body which encounter a lot of friction, such as the heel of your foot.

The women here who blithely dismiss the foreskin are naked in their ignorance.

A foreskin does not require more maintenance than not having one, washing your penis is no different at all. If you are dirty you are going to be dirty cut or uncut.

I’ve always questioned the religious reasons for doing it too as a load of rubbish. It seems to imply God is imperfect. God created man, so the bible says, in his own image. Well, except for the oversight of the foreskin apparently, so does this mean that God made a mistake?

Jayne
wrote on September 7 2009 @ 07:55 pm: [report]

Ooh, yay, I always love a decent online argument.

Come on, man! (Hugh7, HDS1963 and all you passionate others). I’ve seen uncircumcised and circumcised, and it’s not that complicated: Circumcised is pretty. Yummy. Uncircumcised makes me giggle. Loudly.
Problem solved. Snip it, boys!

Lopping the foreskin off a pubescent boy in Africa with a machete? Yes, that’s gruesome and should not be allowed. Having a trained medical professional do it under anesthetic? I’m all for it. It looks better, and despite your long-winded arguments, you can’t deny it IS more hygienic.

I’m speaking from the point of view of someone who is not American, has never been with an American, and more importantly: My father CONSENTINGLY as a full grown ADULT opted to have his snipped. My brother’s is snipped. Neither one of them seem to be in the slightest bit troubled about it. I want my kids to be snipped.

Snippity-snip all the way!

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 7 2009 @ 08:45 pm: [report]

Snippity! \o/

ladees_man619
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 08:36 am: [report]

In addressing the issue of being able to identify the size of a guy’s penis by looking at his hands.. I would have to confirm that this is very accurate. I’m a 31 year old guy, very much in good shape, not overweight, etc.. but I have small hands.. and it sucks becauase I always catch girls looking at my hands, especially on first dates.. I’ve even had a few girls comment on the size of my hands (which I know relates to the size of the other thing).. but that aside, I can say that taking the distance from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pointer finger.. atleast for me.. is dead-on exactly accurate.. but ofcourse that doesn’t tell you thickness.. I would say mine is between about 5” to 5 1/2” long, and a little on the thin side.. I usually try to hide my hands as much as possible.. but eventually, if we hit it off, the girl I’m with will find out anyway.. that’s when things can turn sour :(

So would a small one be considered a weird one??

frisksearch
wrote on October 24 2009 @ 11:08 am: [report]

@ladees_man619: pretty sure 5-5.5 inches would still go into the average category statistically. Have you really encountered many disappointed ladies?

duhh
wrote on October 25 2009 @ 06:12 am: [report]

I think this topic is totally crude…....@flooze, I concur….....this is disgusting….....and just because men do it, doesn’t mean women have to….remember they were taught to be sexist pigs by their daddies…so, if you’re going to blame someone, blame it on the mentor…....I have seen a circumsized penis….not slept with it, but seen it and it was beautiful. Uncircumsized penis’ turn my libido on, they are natural and the way they were meant to be and they have I don’t know how many (astronomical) nerve endings that a circumsized man doesn’t have the pleasure of knowing…...

Can we cut the crap about the small dicks in our society…......those men are someone’s son…..and they deserve respect…....and you just don’t realize how bad you are making yourself sound by dissing them…......

and it isn’t the size of the penis, it’s the passion of the man behind it…....so…....evidently you aren’t used to much of that…......

duhh
wrote on October 25 2009 @ 06:36 am: [report]

AnonyMISS, I have never seen a circumcision video, it was one of the most horrible things I have ever seen…...I think everyone should be informed of what this involves and shown this video BEFORE someone does this to thier child….......Doctors go through the trouble of telling us procedures before we go through them and how they work and explaining them…..

I am miffed that people are not given an opportunity to know what is being done. I never had a son, I had a daughter, but, I imagine they take them behind closed doors and bring them back…......without the parent witnessing it…......and at the age of 26, I might have just gone along with it…..unwittingly…but, had someone shown me what was involved, I would never let someone do this to my child…............all I have to say is if this is a repressed memory for a male, no wonder they have so many problems….............dayum.

I would hope that I would at least research it first…......here’s the problem…..you don’t know what you are having before you have it…..and you have very little time to come up with an answer and if it would have been me….I wouldn’t even have been able to answer!!! I do know however, that if someone made that choice for me and I saw this later or his little red pee pee, somebody would be getting sued majorly….....that’s kind of rape isn’t it? To do something without your consent at a hospital, simply because it is the “norm” and you are indisposed, doped up, or so out of it that you have no comment, and no one asked you anyway???????

duhh
wrote on October 25 2009 @ 06:49 am: [report]

It seems to imply God is imperfect. God created man, so the bible says, in his own image. Well, except for the oversight of the foreskin apparently, so does this mean that God made a mistake?

I so agree…...........IT SAYS THAT GOD SAW WHAT HE HAD MADE AND IT WAS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

DOES THAT MEAN HE MADE SOMETHING BAD?

It makes no sense…............a holy, perfect God, making something unperfect that needs fixing…...did you see how red that child’s penis head was? Like opening the middle of a flower before it blooms.

RAW.

stopthecut
wrote on November 7 2009 @ 06:20 am: [report]

I am a 45 year old circumcised male doctor. In my sexually active years, I have had about five or six sex partners. I have been monogamous for 20 years. In that time, I have seen orgasms that literally picked me off the bed (I’m a normal sized man, 200 lbs)
I wondered if men were shut out of sex. After restoring what was left of my foreskin, I can tell you that circumcised men do not have orgasms. I don’ think that women would consider them the big “O”. Ejaculation is not orgasm. I finally understand what has been going on with circumcision. I am so disgusted that I started a website: http://www.stopthecut.org
Stop cutting boys. It takes way too much from them.
Sincerely, Doc

EricaLnyy
wrote on November 10 2009 @ 10:50 pm: [report]

uncut penises areeee really creepy. they feel mad weird. it’s too much skin.

the weirdest penis i’ve ever seen was not only uncut, it was TINY. i’m a very tight girl, guys tell me that alllll the time, and i know i am because bigger guys hurt. but this tiny uncut one was awful. it felt like nothing. his finger did more for me. yikes.

Hugh7
wrote on November 11 2009 @ 01:10 pm: [report]

EricalLynyy: We’ve been over this several times before in this thread, but how would you like it if a man judged YOUR bits like that, and said YOU should have had some of it cut off as a baby?

EricaLnyy
wrote on November 11 2009 @ 01:46 pm: [report]

i’d get it taken care of, honestly.

riensept
wrote on November 11 2009 @ 02:38 pm: [report]

Wow, is about all I can say. There was a lot of back and forth. How about lets say that rape is rape. It’s uncomparable. If you would like to compare it, that just means you’ve never been raped. Trust me, the nightmares last, and the fear can come back at the most inopportune times. I don’t think that the fear of infant circumcision has been discussed. I don’t see guys waking up in fear clutching their penises. I do have a son. I had him cirumcised at his fathers request. That’s a part of their religion and culture. After hearing about my ex-husbands experience, I was shocked. He had it done as a coming of age, in his culture. He remembers every bit of it. He was proud at the time, after the pain subsided. Was he raped? No. He was doing something that had been done in generations before him, and he was proud to become a “man”. Hell no, I wouldn’t want my son to go through with that. And hell no I wouldn’t want my daughter to be circumcised either. I know of woman who had their mothers hide them from their grand mom’s so that their daughters wouldn’t get it done. Parents make decisions for their children, just like everyone else, we make mistakes. Sometimes, you don’t get over it, sometimes you never even know. If you have an opinion, you have an opinion, don’t try to force it down everyone elses throats.

Now back to the real question. The oddest I ever saw was just plain huge. It had to be a good 12 inches and I couldn’t even wrap my hand around it, and I was a little scared. But I did it. LOL…and it was ok. On the other side, the smallest I encountered, I never actually saw it, and I actually didn’t feel it either. It was started and over with, and I thought he was just grinding. LOL…it was pretty sad, apparently he thought it was a great experience, yeah, I didn’t think so.

Hugh7
wrote on November 11 2009 @ 06:44 pm: [report]

“taken care of” is a funny expression for cutting an integral part off.

“Parents make decisions for their children”
The trouble with this line of thinking is that this decision - unlike any other - is also a decision for an adult man, who may have his own opinion. The same is not true of the decision to leave his penis alone. That leaves him an option (which he will almost certainly not take).

“If you have an opinion, ... don’t try to force it down everyone elses throats.”
And what could be more forcing of your opinion (that someone ought not to have a part of their body) down someone’s throat than to have them strapped down while it is cut off?

wallyman11
wrote on November 11 2009 @ 06:58 pm: [report]

i like being shaved. my ex loved my shaved c**k. she loved it in her butt. she was an anal freak. i miss her dearly.

ootie grl
wrote on November 12 2009 @ 09:11 am: [report]

I did not have my son circumcised. Its his stuff. He can decide when hes older. I felt weird making such a personal decision for him. The nurses were really pushing it though. Circumcision is not neccesary is it?

MuchoMacho
wrote on November 12 2009 @ 09:13 am: [report]

ANTEATERS!!! EWWWWWWW!!!

xdarlinlilsarax
wrote on November 12 2009 @ 12:31 pm: [report]

My boyfriend is uncircumcised. I didn’t even notice at first! Now I think of it as a turtle. It comes out to play

CapnKristi
wrote on November 15 2009 @ 03:22 am: [report]

Weirdest one I ever saw was long and thin, like a cigar, but I never had sex with him. Also saw one with a slight curve to the right, but it never bothered me. I lost my virginity to that one.

As for circumcision, I’ve seen one uncut and it was average size and clean. Very unremarkable once you get over it being there. Yes, some people have nasty dicks, but I’m sure that the guys could tell stories of nasty lady-parts too. Its certainly not necessary, but I don’t think it really changes much by removing it other than the look. In terms of comparing it to a vagina, women need all they can get to achieve an orgasm by physical sensation alone. We can’t just “jerk it.” When’s the last time you heard of a man not being able to achieve orgasms and didn’t know that they hadn’t had one yet until they finally did in their 20’s! It happens much more to women. Men can still achieve extremes of pleasure with a circumcision. Of the men I’ve been with, I’ve never heard any complaints about that.

I think it’s a very personal decision and doesn’t cause any real damage(physically or sexually).

atypicaljames
wrote on November 15 2009 @ 08:11 pm: [report]

All I can say is that it was a long time before I realized that women really do judge these sorts of things (which I’m not saying is bad, just that I was naive). My wake-up call came when an ex told me that a former work colleague of ours was asking my ex about my, erm, equipment, in quite specific detail, which then apparently turned into a conversation in which both were evaluating the various equipment they had encountered. I’m also wondering if the so-called average is actually quite skewed (perhaps we want the mean?) based on some other comments I’ve heard from the ladies.

Titi
wrote on November 16 2009 @ 02:34 am: [report]

Most of my BFs have been uncircumcised. I prefer it. They look more whole, unscarred.
The foreskin contains 20,000 nerves, so yes—there is a major loss of sensation. It’s archaic and barbaric. There is no reason for it. Period.
I would NEVER do it to my child. They are born whole and will stay that way until they choose differently—for themselves.

MuchoMacho
wrote on November 16 2009 @ 09:53 am: [report]

i heard it can get quite filthy. i think about how unclean ive been after a long gym session or something down by my nuts, and then imagine it being right up on the head of my wang. yuck.

and as for loss of sensation - if it was done when i was a baby and i dont have memories from that far back, it isnt like im MISSING anything. my genitals are still extremely sensitive. trust me.

frisksearch
wrote on November 16 2009 @ 12:45 pm: [report]

@atypicaljames: the average IS the mean LOL. You probably mean the median.

Also, for everyone saying that circumcision causes a lack of sensation, that’s rubbish. From my experience, if you have to much sensation down there then you probably lack control. As far as orgasms go, I doubt it has any effect on the intensity.

Finally, will this thread just DIE?!?! Just a suggestion…

drob20
wrote on November 17 2009 @ 08:40 am: [report]

@Hugh7 “(People kept slaves for a long time, too, till that was made illegal. Some day they will look on circumcision in the same light.) “

I’ve never posted anything here but I registered just to say that is seriously the DUMBEST statement I’ve ever read on the interwebs

Hugh7
wrote on November 18 2009 @ 04:41 pm: [report]

A case is beginning in the UK as we speak.

scarletds
wrote on November 29 2009 @ 02:27 pm: [report]

FYI - I am a Certified Nurse Assistant, and I have been present at dozens of circumcisions. The important reason for circumcision is health-based. Prior to and during the procdure, the infant is given sugar water by mouth. It acts as a natural tranqualizer. Most babies don’t even cry. A tiny amount of skin is removed. There is very little bleeding, no stitches are required and only vaseline and gauze are applied to the penis for a couple of days. It heals quickly. Not exactly a barbaric mutilation!

Hugh7
wrote on November 30 2009 @ 03:37 pm: [report]

“It heals quickly”

stiffinp
wrote on November 30 2009 @ 07:17 pm: [report]

My buddys ex told me his was l-shaped, pointed downward, and the head was like a bulb, about twice as wide as the shaft. She said sex was ...difficult.

ciarabug
wrote on December 1 2009 @ 03:46 pm: [report]

if adventurous1 actually has a medical background, i’ll eat my freaking hat with mustard.

i’d turn right back around and walk out of the ER bleeding sooner.

Adventurous1
wrote on December 1 2009 @ 03:53 pm: [report]

Tsk-tsk. Too bad there’s no actual way to confirm it, isn’t it. I’d sell tickets for that show.

SugarStarzKill
wrote on December 5 2009 @ 04:35 pm: [report]

This thread FINALLY died a few days ago, but I HAD to add an argument against letting guys decide to get circumsized when they get older. As a few nurses have pointed out, when it is done as a baby there is hardly ANY pain, no stitches, heals quickly… Well it is much different to get it done as an adult

One of my male friends HAD to get circumsized when he was about 16/17 because his penis was actually bigger than the foreskin which was incredibly uncomfortable, as I would imagine. I believe it was only a same day surgery, but he was in PAIN for a long time, and it took awhile to heal. THAT is probably a big reason why more grown men don’t do it.

Just for the record, I have nothing against uncut guys, I have dated several. I do prefer cut though, probably because it is what I am most familiar with.

GAgirlinNYC
wrote on December 5 2009 @ 06:51 pm: [report]

All this talking about it! Now I want to play with an uncut ween and see what it’s like before I judge.

JSW- I think I love you. And since you’ve got what I want to see, what time are you coming over?

_jsw_
wrote on December 5 2009 @ 07:05 pm: [report]

@GAgirlinNYC: Wow… I came back to The Frisky just in time.

It’s snowing here now, so it’ll probably take me longer than usual (I’ll be driving from the Boston area). Hmmm… it’ll likely be about 2AM or so at the earliest. Should I head out now? Also, I’ll probably be cold when I get there… promise to warm me up?

Hugh7
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 02:39 pm: [report]

SugarStarzKill: your argument would hold a drop of water if ALL men HAD to be circumcised, or WANTED to be circumcised, but in fact, very few do. And “his penis was bigger than his foreskin”? ROTFL. Tight foreskins can be treated non-surgically or by lesser surgery than circumcision, but in the US the only thing they know about the foreskin is how to cut it off.

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 02:42 pm: [report]

they know that stds and infections are reduced when a penis is circumsized. cheeky .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

_jsw_
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 02:49 pm: [report]

This commentary thread is very trendy, cashing in on the whole vampire thing going on. It has no life left in it, it’s cold, and it probably fears daylight, but clearly that doesn’t stop it from continuing to move along.

I suggest a stake through the heart. That, or a thread lock.

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 02:53 pm: [report]

no vampire will ever touch Count von Count.

bumbler
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 02:56 pm: [report]

@JSW your anti-vampirism bias is like slavery, or circumcision or something.

SugarStarzKill
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 03:00 pm: [report]

Hugh7,

I didn’t know him when this happened, I met him when he was in his early 20’s and he actually lived with my fiance’s parents when he had it done. I am not saying all men HAVE to get circumsized, but saying to let them decide when they are older is kind of silly because it is such a painful procedure, especially if he gets an erection like someone else pointed out.

I am not positive of the specifics, but I know there was an issue that made it incredibly uncomfortable and the only option was circumcision. I am sorry I don’t know the exact medical diagnosis. The only point I was trying to make is that many men don’t get it done later in life because it is harder to deal with as an adult.

SugarStarzKill
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 03:03 pm: [report]

and I agree, jsw. Hugh7 automatically took offense without even reading my post and jumped down my throat. He obviously lacked the intelligence to comprehend my comment, as I didn’t say “circumsized is better and all men need it and want it”.

By the way, I think I love you too and I am closer than that NY girl, I am in Southern NH.

(that was all in good fun, it makes the internet feel less surreal when there are people that are actually within driving distance lol)

_jsw_
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 03:43 pm: [report]

@SugarStarzKill: I know it was in good fun.

It’d be nice if the site had, oh, a forum or something so we Frisky readers could have regional get-togethers. I’m sure there are a number of us within an hour or two from most major cities.

_jsw_
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 03:48 pm: [report]

@bumbler: You’re right… I didn’t mean to be so, um, “state-of-living”-ist or whatever. It’s only the vampire foreskin (or lack thereof) threads that I take issue with. Other ones are fine. I’ll work to adjust my attitude.

Hugh7
wrote on December 7 2009 @ 07:12 pm: [report]

@SugarStarKill: I know you didn’t say “circumcision is better and all men need it or want it” and it isn’t and they don’t.

That is why your “argument against letting guys decide to get circumsized when they get older ... to let them decide when they are older is kind of silly” is kind of silly.

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 8 2009 @ 09:30 am: [report]

it is. less std’s. less odd stares in the mens room. ANTEATERS!!! EWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

MintJulep
wrote on December 8 2009 @ 01:03 pm: [report]

#1 - it was curved to the left,...or maybe the right…coulda been upward. well, it curved!
#2 - this one was so small i felt like a lesbian. we were bumping pelvis to pelvis. and we are both thin so i felt like since we were chafing each other’s bones that we were gonna start a forest fire.
#3 - uncircumcised, ew. BE CAREFUL LADIES, these are condom-breakers.
#4 - a white guy with a dark brown penisaurus

i’d better end it here, right?

So sly
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 03:51 pm: [report]

My story is so embarrassing. I had been living with my current boyfriend for a few months before I realized that he was uncut! I’d only seen it hard, so I totally missed the wrapper. I did notice that he was much more sensitive and more responsive than the previous guys I’d been with (all circumcised). And I had my first (and thousands more since) orgasm with this really great guy.

We’re still dating, but if I were single again, I’d definitely prefer a guy with a natural (NOT surgically altered) member. The reason is because the circumcised men I dated were typically a lot less sensitive (both physically and emotionally), had difficulty getting and maintaining erections, were less responsive, and were VERY selfish in bed. Sex was always a lot of work for me and usually neither party got a happy ending.

So yeah. I don’t think that an uncircumcised penis is
“unsightly” or “unhygienic.” They are natural, masculine and function a lot better. I love my boyfriend’s wang!

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 04:03 pm: [report]

lol @ circumcision having ANY affect on your emotional developement, ability to maintain erection, and selfishness in bed… im happy you found a sexually compatible SO, but ur view on cut penises is pretty warped.

So sly
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 04:44 pm: [report]

I thought this post was supposed to be about odd wangs, like with piercings and tattoos or mutations…
This is so dissappointing! (That’s what she said!)

mucho: Ok I might have taken it a little too far. I can’t really judge all circumcised male organs on my experiences with a few (insenstive cheating douchey) men.

But I still believe that uncircumcised weens work better.

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 04:53 pm: [report]

fair enough. and it isnt like my emotional immaturity works in favor of my argument here… side note - i was gonna get a wang tat. then i got one going down my spine and the soft flesh to either side hurt SO BAD that i changed my mind. my inker told me the only two places that hurt worse were back of knee and wiener. i decidefd i wasnt man enough to ink the dong. sad face.

So sly
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 07:53 pm: [report]

You made me laugh, Mucho :D

And thinking about it, I guess I’m not that emotionally mature, so I can’t really judge anyways.

And great story…

I totally want to see tattooed or pierced genitals in person, male or female. Just out of morbid fascination. How can people withstand the pain (coming from someone who’s never had a tattoo)? Must be superhuman. My awesome lesbian roommate had her breasts pierced (yeah I saw them, but those don’t really count) and she said it felt good after the initial prick. I’ve experienced the rush of my body’s natural defense mech. of natural opiods and adrenaline after a messy cut, so if someone can be strong through the initial pain (whisky would dull the pain), they might actually enjoy the experience afterwards. (Kinky!) You should totally get drunk and try it! Then report back to us!

So sly
wrote on December 10 2009 @ 08:28 pm: [report]

Oh and I seriously misread this post, I clicked on it thinking it was What’s the Oldest Penis You’ve Ever Encountered. Damn my morbid curiosity. Damn it to hell!

MintJulep
wrote on December 11 2009 @ 07:23 am: [report]

@ so sly i do have a clit piercing. we’ve been together for almost 3 years, and i gotta tell ya, there is no pain…everything doesn’t taste like chicken. it doesn’t do much for me but the men go bananas. maybe when i wack off i’ll play with it, but it’s just…there. the only bad thing about it is when i shower i can’t use the puffy so freely. and ur so funny, i spilled my coffee when i read about mutated “members”. have you ever seen one?
p.s. and i’ve seen an old one. i had the misfortune of banging my friend’s dad, the dong wasn’t wrinkly or nothing, he just had 2 really old “backup singers”. i still hate myself for that one.

MuchoMacho
wrote on December 11 2009 @ 09:23 am: [report]

you have to maintain an erection to get your penis tattooed, i was told. so like it hurts so bad you deflate. they stop. you go look at porn or something, and they start back up. if i was single i think id do it.

TheUnusualSuspect
wrote on December 12 2009 @ 10:35 am: [report]

I went to my doctor’s office for a physical exam once—just a general once-over. The exam was done by a Physician’s Assistant. She made some reference to me not being circumsized, which was news to me. After an embarrassing discussion with my parents, and writing to the hospital where I was born, I found the documentation to prove that the Physician’s Assistant was wrong. Go figure.