Unsafe Abortions Kill 70,000 Women Every Year

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 09:37 am: [report]

I don’t understand the almost fanatical opposition to abortion and access to contraception.  If you don’t want an abortion, then don’t have one.  If you don’t believe in birth control, then don’t use it.  But don’t tell me I can’t have access to it because you think it’s wrong.  Denying the right to choose to others because you don’t believe in abortions or contraception is bullying and controlling.  It’s as simple as that.

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 09:42 am: [report]

Justice?

equnsuocha
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 10:00 am: [report]

@Christinaval You are sick to even suggest something like that.  I hope any animals you may have run down on your way to the last Right Wing Nut rally starring the 2 drug addicted morons, are buried in a Pet Cemetary.  May they rise from the grave, steal your keys and deliver some justice your way.

Idiot

megly
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 10:28 am: [report]

How is that justice? I mean, really?

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 10:38 am: [report]

@Christinaval: You illustrate my point exactly.  And your comment is frighteningly callous.

william.paul
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 10:52 am: [report]

@Christinaval Trolling?

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 11:04 am: [report]

I just happen to be one of those people that believes abortion is wrong. So I’m sorry, I don’t feel sympathy for a woman who is trying to kill her baby and kills herself in the process.

bethlynn00
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 11:10 am: [report]

@Christinaval: Then you don’t know what true justice is. Disgusting.

That is a sad statistic, no woman should die, because she tries to have control over her body, if people would just let each of us have control over OUR womb, these things would not be happening and the world would be a much better place.

kellieann
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 11:49 am: [report]

@christinaval: I hope when you have a baby it causes you to hemorrhage and die.

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:01 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: I respect your belief that abortion is wrong.  You have the right to your opinion, but at the same time I find it sad that you’d label someone who chooses to abort a pregnancy - a legitmate medical procedure whether you agree with the concept of it or not - and dies in the process as “justice.”  I’m an atheist, but I do grasp the concept of the biblical verse, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”  Do you?

JenniferRly
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:03 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: To oppose abortion is a legitimate view.  To consider the death of women obtaining bad abortions where abortion is legal justice, that makes you a jackass, and a bad christian (sorry to make assumptions about your faith, but double-dare you to tell me I’m wrong).

I’m not even Christian, but I’m pretty sure that whole compassion thing is pretty central.

JenniferRly
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:04 pm: [report]

@Cattgirl: Great minds, huh?

PinkRanger
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:10 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: Lets just say that abortion is murder. I don’t believe that, but you do, so lets pretend that is truth for a moment. Is it better that the “murder” count be doubled for the sake of your belief? Every sinner deserves death, huh? When is the last time you lied, or coveted something that wasn’t yours, or had lust, or pride? these are all sins too, so would it be justice if you died because of them? Would you venture to say that you deserve to die? The bible that I read discussed that all sins are equal. But hell, maybe you’re reading some newfangled bible that specified all of this for you.

GreenAura
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:15 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: I also oppose abortion for myself.  But it is within legal rights for women to do it.  And I also wouldn’t personally feel okay about telling a woman what to do with her body/her baby.  Here is my question for you: Since you are so staunchly Pro-Life, wouldn’t it be hypocritical to say that the death of a woman, even if she is an aborter, is “justified”?  Because Pro-Life should mean that you value all life, right?  Also, I am assuming that you are opposed to capital punishment as well, since that is anti-life and you are obviously not anti-life, right?  Please fill me in!

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:15 pm: [report]

Jennifer, yes, I am a Christian. And I am compassionate too. Think about this, most Christians believe that life begins at conception…so no longer is abortion a “legal procedure”, but in our view it is a premediated murder. You can make all the arguments you want about that debate, but that’s what Christians believe. Now, let me ask you this, when someone of sound mind murders another person, isn’t “justice” having that person either put to death or basically killing them by putting them in prison for life? You may think it’s crazy because you don’t believe in it. I’m not saying that I think that women who have abortions should be put to death. I don’t think it should be legal, first of all. And when I said “justice”, I was talking about God’s justice, not my own. I believe in a loving God, but one that also judges sin…my sin as well. I don’t judge others, I judge their sin. My own too.

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:19 pm: [report]

Pink Ranger, I would in fact say that I deserve to die. God graciously keeps me alive, and I have only Him to thank for it. But that’s a theological debate. In fact, the pro-life/pro-choice debate is a theological one as well.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:20 pm: [report]

@PinkRanger: I believe public stoning was the common practice.

JenniferRly
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:24 pm: [report]

I’m just saying, for you to judge a women for her “sin” is to sin yourself, no?  Again, I’m Jewish, so I don’t know your book or your rules, but I read something somewhere about casting stones…

I respect the beliefs of the anti-choice movement.  But considering abortion happens, our responsibility to these women is to provide compassion, counsel and respect for their lives, regardless of their choices.

And that’s one of the few things I dare to consider a universal right.

Jitterbugs232
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:26 pm: [report]

@Cattgirl: I completely agree..its my body and my choice

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:39 pm: [report]

Jennifer, our book is half the same! But yes, you are right…we are not supposed to judge other people. But we can judge the actual sin. Like I said, I’m not judging the woman, I’m judging the act of getting an abortion as, wrong and sinful. I don’t think it should be legal. And I just don’t believe that it’s our “duty” or “responsibility” to aide those wanting to kill a child. If they want to go against the law and do it themselves, well, the article pretty much explains how that turns out. And when I said, “justice?”, I was referring to the fact that these women died while trying to kill a human life. God’s justice is “eye for an eye”. It’s just a difference in beliefs and it will never change. Neither side will change what they believe in. I doubt Roe v Wade will ever get overturned.

goofyjj
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:41 pm: [report]

@Christinaval and all the anti-choice people out there - who gives YOU the right to judge and say what is justice.  Tell your archaic views to some 13 year old girl who is raped that she has to carry that child or should she be forced to die from an illegal procedure.

passing judgement on others is not exactly christian.  and I’m a catholic but I do believe in a woman’s right to choose what to do with her body

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:43 pm: [report]

@JenniferRly and Jitterbugs: Thanks for the support.  It’s about free will and making the choice that’s best for the individual.  My body, my choice - including whatever consequences and repercussions that come from said choice.

GreenAura
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:44 pm: [report]

@Christinaval:God’s justice is “eye for an eye”... Sorry hun, I think you are confusing that with American justice.  Or maybe just Texas justice.

LilMissSunshine
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:46 pm: [report]

@cattgirl813
  Thank you for eloquently stating your opinion. I concur. I even have a little button that says, “If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one!”

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:51 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: I can’t and won’t argue the religious aspect of your point of view, because it’s one that I don’t share.  It goes back to my original point: If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one.  If you don’t believe in contraception, don’t use it.  Do what’s best for you, and let others have the freedom to do the same and deal with the consequences of their actions.  Your God’s will is not everyone else’s.  That’s the way of the world, whether you wish to accept it or not.

william.paul
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:52 pm: [report]

@Christinaval

yes, I am a Christian. And I am compassionate too

You separated those two attributes, does that imply that Christians are not normally compassionate?

When you call the pro-life/pro-choice debate theological, what do you mean exactly?

lea322
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:57 pm: [report]

I’m a Christian, and I’m pro-choice. I believe that abortion should be legal so that women choosing to have one are able to do so with as little risk to themselves as possible. I also believe that every attempt should be made toward PREVENTING unwanted pregnancy so that a choice like this never has to be made.

@Christinaval: Jesus didn’t say “an eye for an eye”. He said to love God and to love your neighbor. Part of loving my neighbor is to be there for anyone I know who is in a situation where they have to make a choice like this, and to love them no matter what they decide. I’m absolutely no better than anyone else, so I’ll leave it to God to take care of whatever else needs to be done.

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 12:58 pm: [report]

@LilMissSunshine: You’re welcome.  I understand the pro-life side of the argument, but at the same time we should all have the freedom to exercise control over our own bodies.  I’d even be willing to forgo the right to an abortion if there were free, unfettered, and unrestricted access to all forms of contraception coupled with an atmosphere that encourages medical research into new forms.  I don’t fear the day abortion is made illegal.  I fear the day after, because that’s the day the pro-life movement turns its focus to restricting access to (if not flat out abolishing) birth control.  Women need to have autonomy over our bodies in order to maintain an equal voice in society, and that includes reproductive freedom.

tttongue_tied
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:07 pm: [report]

Here we go again. I’m staying out of this. Fighting on the internet…big no-no.

Queen Frostine
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:10 pm: [report]

I’m NOT Christian, so I’d appreciate it if the laws were not bent around the beliefs of one segment of the population. Christians (as well as other religious / pro-life groups) need to respectfully accept that there are people who do not share their views about god / beginnings of life / choice. Religious beliefs are a matter of personal choice, no one has or should have the authority to force them upon anyone else.

ashleye
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:19 pm: [report]

Well the topic of abortion is always a mad dash to prove your side but I have the ability to share first hand. I have had an abortion. You can take that sentence for what you believe it to be, either I have murdered someone or made a choice about my own body. I am not going to say more than that I have had one. Ponder your own thoughts as to why… But I wanted to ask if anyone believes that it’s ok for an abortion to take place if the mother is in danger? If the baby is killing her…then should the baby indeed die? For the people who say “justice” for the women who have died do to abortions, then if the woman is being killed by her baby she should kill it. What do you say to that? Then of course we could debate the issue of being raped…which is to no fault of the woman. I have already heard enough of that. I personally thought that I would never have an abortion. In school I could debate either side of this matter all the while staying true to my belief of never having it done, but I have since changed my views. I had the procedure done for matters of myself. I do not like to take sides on the matter as far as petty differences in religion. I am very sorry if I have offended any one…I was most definitely not calling your religion petty. But I grew up catholic and now I am very unsure as to my personal religion. Anyway, I don’t see abortion as a matter of religion (actually I don’t really see religion as an answer to most things) but as a personal choice if you need it. If the mother is in danger then I think you should consider it as an option, or if you are unable to take care of the child due to some unknown problem…but I also don’t condone abortion because of stupidity. There are many ways you can go about safe sex and you can choose to not engage in it at all. The clinic I went to wasn’t a scary place by any means, the people there were all very nice and well mannered. But you always feel the gaze as they ask you if you have ever had this done before and you feel that they do not believe you. Some women talked to me while I was there and one of them was known to the doctors at the clinic. I am sorry but I could not believe that they were so casually about this. I understand that it’s a business but for a women to come in there and act like she is buying a soda at the gas station by her house is ridiculous. Abortion should not be used as birth control. Period. It just doesn’t make sense to me. it doesn’t even make sense financially. It’s expensive. The pill is inexpensive with the right insurance. CONDOMS! There is something new…they are cheap. There are many different ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy and I hope everyone will use them. I have to live with what I have done and I think about it all the time. I will always have thoughts of what if. Sometimes I even cry…I do not feel guilty about the decision but I cry because I cannot tell my catholic family. They would disown me. My boyfriend has been very understanding and has helped me by letting me vent my frustration of people who think making choices for others is okay. A lot of people resort to unsafe abortions is because of laws and people alike. Get over the fact that people can do what they want and you have no control over it. Even if you don’t agree…all you have to think is hey, it’s their life not mine, so if they want it they can do it. Well, that’s the end of my rant…I didn’t expect it to be so long…but it’s nice to vent every once in a while. So thankyou.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:21 pm: [report]

Hammurabi (1728 BC - 1686 BC) had those ‘laws’ written down a bit before (Almost a century) Moses talked to a bush that was on fire. I love predating things on people.

Have a read of the Code of Hammurabi for some laughs.

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:30 pm: [report]

@lea
Leviticus 24:19-24:2119
Anyone who maims another shall suffer the same injury in return: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; the injury inflicted is the injury to be suffered. One who kills an animal shall make restitution for it; but one who kills a human being shall be put to death.
@william.paul I was not separating the attributes. I was accused of being neither. You misread.
@cattgirl I accept that’s the way it is, but I am very against it, so I speak out against it.
@greenaura, see Bible quote above.

writergirl
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:36 pm: [report]

@Christinaval:

I don’t judge others, I judge their sin

That isn’t possible.  If you judge the sin, you automatically judge the person because a sin is not autonomous.

writergirl
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:37 pm: [report]

@Cheese—I saw the Hammurabi Stone this past June. It was very interestesting to read (for the ten seconds we were in that part of the Louvre) the laws that were established back then were essentially the same ones we have now.

brandyalexander
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:39 pm: [report]

I am glad I don’t base my morality on such a violent book and look forward to the day when no one else does, either.

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:40 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: Speak, but think about you come across when you say things like “Justice?” in response to over 70,000 women losing their lives every year due to unsafe abortions.  It makes you seem hateful, judgemental and (for a Christian who even has Christ in her name) not very Christ like.  Also remember that not everyone believes in Christ or believes the same way as you do.  I’ll say this one last time and then I’m done with this topic - I respect your viewpoint, but everyone is entitled to his or her own choices.  Be well.

Kati-Anne
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:42 pm: [report]

@ashleye- thanks for sharing that with us. I’m happy to hear that you have a loving and supportive boyfriend, and sorry that you have to hide this from your family. Unfortunately, there are many people out there who value the physical integrity of fetuses far more than that of women. After all, we are just supposed to be human baby incubators that carry tomorrow’s leaders (i.e. male children), and unfortunately, half of the time, tomorrow’s human baby incubators and objects of sexual desire (i.e. females).

GreenAura
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:43 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: to validate lea322‘s point, Jesus (whom you believe to be your savior) never said “eye for an eye”.  Leviticus, as you used for a reference, is part of the Old Testament aka the book that originated in Judaism.  I believe it was Jesus that said “let him who is without sin cast the first stone” and “turn the other cheek”.  Kind of goes against the whole “eye for an eye” thing doesn’t it?  Maybe in this case, you shouldn’t cast stones.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:47 pm: [report]

I like this one, guess why:
Ezekiel 23:3
And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

C.Munro
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:53 pm: [report]

I am glad I don’t base my morality on such a violent book and look forward to the day when no one else does, either.

^ This.

GreenAura
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:53 pm: [report]

@brandyalexander: I totally feel ya! The problem is that people take the Bible as literal fact, instead of recognizing all of the metaphors and contradictions in it.  I wasn’t trying to get all religious in here, I just wanted to call out someone who was throwing Bible verses around to defend “Gods justice” when they have no idea what the foundation of their religion is truly based upon.  And for the record, I’m not Christian, but I probably know more about their religion than most followers.

lea322
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:54 pm: [report]

@GreenAura: Thank you. My point to @Christinaval (without getting into a really huge theological debate) is that according to Christianity, Jesus’ death and resurrection negate the need to live by the specifics of the Old Testament laws. Jesus’ commandments to love God and love others are what we are to consider when deciding what we should and shouldn’t be doing, and use Jesus as an example of how to live. He didn’t stone the sinner, he was merciful and compassionate toward her. Christianity looks at the Old Testament has historical and prophetic, not as law.

equnsuocha
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 01:57 pm: [report]

Mahatma Ghandi - “eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”

This is a legal debate and NOT a religious one, sadly the religious right has become accustom to having control over legal issues these last 8 horrific years.  I say this, feel it is wrong for yourself but not for others as the day a 12 week old embryo can walk on the earth will be the day I will consider it MAY be murder. 

But hey I am for gay marriage too so according to our self righteous pontificator Christinaval I am a sinner and deserve to die too.  You keep your preaching out of my court room and uterus and I will keep my sins out of your life.

Christinaval
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 02:23 pm: [report]

@cattgirl, I agree, it came off hateful. I didn’t mean to upset so many people. Sorry everyone. But in the same way that everyone else gets heated about things, so do I. I should try not to come off so judgemental next time when stating my case!

theattack
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 02:25 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: I can only assume that you also don’t eat unclean animals, and that when you menstruate, you isolate yourself for seven days. And hey, whenever you give birth, you get to be isolated from all men for seven days afterward!

RemixCity
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 03:23 pm: [report]

Abortion should be available to all women everywhere. I don’t think religion is a shield because in addition to my lifelong support of choice recently a 12 year old died from bleeding trying to deliver a baby for her legal husband in a society where they don’t have abortion available because it is a religious and cultural taboo.

My response to that is abortion is health care. Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Wicca, whatever. If you have a disease we humans try to cure it. If your baby endangers your life or you choose not to be a mother, I support you 100%.

I am a Christian and even own the Bible in a remixed audio version so…

brandyalexander
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 03:34 pm: [report]

@everyone: granted, biblical interpretations may vary, but we shouldn’t be basing our laws on the bible anyway.

GreenAura
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 04:04 pm: [report]

@brandy: I agree wholeheartedly. Side note: this is so off the wall, but I have no other way of talking to you, so here goes… I am trying to make the transition into vegetarian/vegan (which already makes up about 75% of my diet), but I am having a hard time.  I need an adequate amount of protein, but I hate beans and am not a big fan of tofu!  Do you have protein alternatives in mind other than the bean/tofu variety?  Sorry to just come at you like this! Thanks!

Phoenix_R
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 04:13 pm: [report]

@christinaval - I’m sorry, so I should have carried the product of rape to term, at the expense of my own body and health? Really?

I am so glad I had my tubes tied, so that people like you can’t force me to do something with my body that I was unwilling to do.

kr070707
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 04:28 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: Have you considered the fact that, according to the article, over half of the deaths from unsafe abortions occur in sub-sarahan Africa? That may not seem like an important point, but think about it this way: you are a married African woman living in, let’s say, Kenya. You already have 5 children who you can barely feed due to the fact that your country is suffering from a massive drought, and you find out you’re pregnant. Your crops are long dead. Your livestock are dying. Your neighbors are dying. Your LIVING children are starving. Birth control was never an option and you continued to have sex with your husband because he demanded it and that is your wifely duty. You know that if you have this child you may not be able to feed it, not to mention you will not be able to work as hard due to your pregnancy, so your entire family would suffer. What would you do then? Do you honestly condemn the woman that has to make this agonizing decision? If so, then not only do I not consider you a Christian, I consider you heartless.

My scenario above doesn’t even cover the rising rates of HIV in impoverished countries (not saying that every HIV positive woman should have an abortion, but if medication isn’t available, I can certainly see why HIV positive women wouldn’t want to pass it on), or the fact that in some cultures a woman who conceives out of wedlock (even if raped) can be jailed or killed.

I’m not saying that every woman who died as a result of an unsafe abortion was in this kind of dire situation. But abortion cannot be seen as a black and white issue, especially when poverty and other cultural factors are concerned.  Perhaps if pro-lifers spent half the time and money on educating and providing support to women in such situations as they do protesting abortions in the U.S. we would actually see some changes made to prevent any woman from having to make such a decision.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 05:49 pm: [report]

@kr070707: Because nobody (Not nobody, but the public is unaware) cares about Africa, and it also happens to be a bastion of both Christian and Moslem faiths. We have money to throw bibles at them, and if they accept food may come….let’s just say it’s not the best way to do business.

lewomack
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 05:59 pm: [report]

“An eye for an eye” was the Old Testament view of things. I’m sorry if this is slightly irrelevant to the article at hand, but it irks me when people who claim they are followers of Christ throw that statement in their arguments. Christ denounced it and said to turn the other cheek and practice forgiveness. If you were truly a Christian, you wouldn’t seek “justice,” you’d seek forgiveness. A personal favorite quote from Gahndi, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”

That being said, I am Catholic (born and bred), and I am pro-choice. These statistics upset me quite frankly; I think it’s wrong to limit a woman’s options. Pro-choice doesn’t necessarily mean pro-abortion, it means that there’s an option there for women, so that back alley abortions are no longer relevant to society. I’d rather have a woman who’s had an abortion be healthy rather than have a woman die because the only option she had was to have some shmo do it for her.

cattgirl813
wrote on October 14 2009 @ 08:17 pm: [report]

@Christinaval: Fair enough.  We’ve all been there, done that.  Plus this is an especially explosive subject.  Friends?

lasunshine
wrote on October 15 2009 @ 12:26 am: [report]

@equnsuocha: I couldn’t agree more. Another aspect that I find to be completely ironic is how the religious right’s overwhelming concern for innocent human life seems to only apply in utero.

There are over half a million children in this country in the foster care system; not to mention the scores who live in poverty, are homeless, or have no access to adequate medical care. Can you imagine the positive impact if all of the time, resources, political pressure and money used to overturn Roe v. Wade was instead funneled into social programs to improve the live of children who were ALREADY BORN?!!

And yet the vast majority of the religious right are one-issue voters who vote Republican - the party that, time and time again, reduces funding for education, public assistance (of which a full 70% of welfare recipients are children), after-school programs, child-care, and are now trying their damnedest to quash any form of universal health care with their stalwart opposition to anything our new administration proposes.

For them, there is always enough money to pour into aggressive military pursuits (although, not to actually take care of our veterans) in the name of the “terrorist threat”. I’m all for national security and have the utmost respect for the men and women of our country’s armed forces, but I believe the absolute biggest threat to our freedom comes from within - from the mind-boggling numbers of zealots who wish to impose their religious views of “right and wrong” and their narrow-minded “morals” on the rest of our free-thinking society.

Christinaval
wrote on October 15 2009 @ 09:10 am: [report]

cattgirl, yes I would like that.

JenniferRly
wrote on October 15 2009 @ 09:22 am: [report]

Whoa, you never see a reasonable resolution to an abortion/ religion debate.  Go team!

eurolovex3
wrote on October 17 2009 @ 03:25 am: [report]

@cattgirl813 and @lasunshine - you took the words right out of my mouth!  impressive.  “the absolute biggest threat to our freedom comes from within - from the mind-boggling numbers of zealots who wish to impose their religious views of “right and wrong” and their narrow-minded “morals” on the rest of our free-thinking society.” 
so true.

unfortunately i live in the south, where this type of thinking is even more extreme and wide-spread.  i’m surrounded by ignorant conservatives… people like @Christinaval, who display everything that is wrong with our society…

glad to see that there are some rational people on this site though

majicksand
wrote on October 19 2009 @ 04:33 pm: [report]

Separation of church and state was probably the most brilliant law ever enacted.  Too bad it isn’t followed properly.

Steph9668
wrote on October 20 2009 @ 08:18 am: [report]

I think it’s hilarious when Christians like our friend Christinaval say they are compassionate and then they judge the #&@$% out of every move that everyone else makes. Just to clear things up, being compassionate means that you are concerned with human welfare and the alleviation of suffering. I know they love to focus on the unborn children in this situation.. but we can’t exactly talk to them. You could take 5 minutes out of your holier-than-thou friggen life and talk to the women that feel like an abortion is their only option… if you want to pretend you are a compassionate person…

And if you follow a god that only loves people when they do what he says… well… this is why I am not a religious person. That is not love to me.

About the rest, I know how I feel about it and I’m at peace with myself… I’ve been in this situation before. If anyone tried to tell me what to do with my body I could have ended up as a statistic too. Finally it turned out to be a very wise decision for me not to have a baby at age 20… when I was not prepared financially, emotionally, etc. Sometimes I think it is a greater tragedy for the children when they are brought up by irresponsible, unprepared, narrow-minded, foolish people anyway.

Sarai
wrote on October 20 2009 @ 02:32 pm: [report]

Clearly Christinaval overlooks the passage in which God instructs people to brain their enemies’ babies with rocks. Psalms 137. Easy out for Christains having an abortion; just declare the fetus to be your enemy’s child, and then have it beaten out of you. Problem solved.

jessicamariella
wrote on October 20 2009 @ 03:16 pm: [report]

We all the right to our own opinion, and for those of us who are religios, then in the end only He can judge us. I’m pro-choice and get Hell for it all the time. Someone actually told me to go burn in Hell. This is probably thee most controversial topic in the world and we will never be all in agreement.

We all believe different things and have the right to, so we should not cast stones in a glass house.

Maybe I am selfish. I say, my body, my choice. There are so many millions of orphaned children who are just waiting for a secure and love-filled home. Why bring more “unwanted” children into the world? That’s just me.

I don’t like it when people challenge my beliefs, so I am not here to judge.