Obama Used For Anti-Choice Ad

Provocative Girl
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 01:21 pm: [report]

I am pro choice. Hands down. I have a very best friend who is catholic and we argue about this all the time.  What I hate the most is people who try to change your views.  We accept that they are pro life, but why can’t they accept that we are pro choice.  Have I ever had an abortion, no. But I like knowing that I have the option to. Whether or not abortions are legal or not, they are still going to happen. Long before Roe V Wade, women were having self induced abortions and if that decision is ever over turned people will go back to having unsafe abortions that could potentially hurt the women in the process of aborting the child. If we don’t have a choice, abortion will still happen, so should it happen safely?

Chelle
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 01:39 pm: [report]

I don’t believe in abortion. I could never live with myself if I killed my own child. Even if it hasn’t grown to anything recognizable, it’s still a living creature. However, I respect other’s rights to make that decision. Provocative Girl is right, if it’s illegal it will put some women’s lives in danger because they’ll try things like the coat hanger trick (which I don’t really see how that would work anyway). There’s also girls who have been raped or don’t even have a clue who the father is. Oh yeah, and incest too. So even though I don’t feel it’s morally right in most cases, I do think that everyone should have the right to make that choice.

joyy
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 01:45 pm: [report]

Ah yes, if abortion were legal then, Barack’s mother would have been FORCED to have an abortion, given that she was unmarried and carrying an interracial child.  Cause that’s how we pro-choicers roll, right? 

What a crock of #&@$%.  I had a GUY tell me one time that abortion “robs women of the joy of children” as if decriminalizing abortion equated to the government and doctors indiscriminately forcing women to have abortions.

I understand people not liking abortion - it’s not a likable thing.  But this bull eventually has to stop.  Reducing unplanned pregnancies will reduce abortion, and that’s something that can be accomplished.  Oh, the power of education.

sonygir
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 06:02 pm: [report]

AhahahahaHa! you said spencer pratt!!!!

writergirl
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 07:26 pm: [report]

I am Catholic and I am Pro choice.  Not because I believe in abortion; I don’t.  But I don’t see it as anyone’s place/roll to legislate morals and beliefs.  I would never presume to judge a woman who had an abortion—that is her rights, something she is entitled to under the laws of our nation.  The reasons why she choses to have one are her own and she is accountable to no one but herself.

That add though….it is just wrong.  It is insulting to President Obama’s mother.  I mean, it essentially implied that she chose NOT to have an abortion when we don’t know WHAT she considered.  Even President Obama himself doesn’t know what she considered—-he doesn’t even know if his parents marriage was the result of her being pregnant or his father had proposed in the “traditional way.”

The add is wrong to use President Obama’s conception—the circumstances which are unknown—and turn it into a case for pro life.  Just wrong.

cougiex
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 10:41 pm: [report]

Since when is being against abortion “Anti-Choice” rather than “Pro-life”????.... (It’s like Pro-lifers saying Pro-Choice is “Pro-Death”, being offensive from the very beginning of addressing the other side.  Why say that at all unless you want to inflame the other side?)

Because of my Catholic faith and the teachings of the Church, I believe abortion is utterly wrong.  However, I don’t hope and pray for a day when it is illegal per say.  I just wish that women would not get into the position where they feel they need to have an abortion…

And it IS ironic how the pro-life movement is using Obama as an example when he is not exactly a poster-boy!

Amelia
wrote on January 23 2009 @ 11:29 pm: [report]

Both sides of the argument need to use similar language. Pro-choice people are NOT pro-death, which is the anti-thesis of pro-life. However, people who actively do not think women should be able to have abortions (the “pro-life” movement) and want to see Roe Vs. Wade repealed ARE anti-choice—they don’t want women to have the option of having an abortion. It’s just a more balanced way of describing each side of the argument.

sashab9999
wrote on January 24 2009 @ 03:46 pm: [report]

Interesting,
did you know Hitler’s mom was seriously thinking of getting an abortion and her doctor talked her out of it. So just keep that in mind when bashing abortion, cause 1 abortion could have saved millions of lives.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on January 25 2009 @ 12:32 pm: [report]

Just had to bring up Hitler huh? Well if he had gotten into art school it would have had the same effect, except he didn’t so he went back to Germany to the beer halls, and the rest is history.

Here is a cool Obama t-shirt: http://www.rundc09.com/RUN_DC_09.html

Amelia
wrote on January 25 2009 @ 12:47 pm: [report]

I think the point of all this is that arguments like “Think of the potential” go both ways and are ultimately irrelevant.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on January 25 2009 @ 09:07 pm: [report]

Potential has nothing to do with it. I myself via my vast intelligence (An IQ somewhere around 140) lack in the very social skills that are necessary in making lasting relationships. In so forth I haven’t acquired a fulfilling relationship ever.

Potential has nothing to with anything.

Lashing out aside, Hitler shot himself (and bit into cyanide at the same time) and had a butler burn his corpse, what a cop out.

cougiex
wrote on January 26 2009 @ 05:13 pm: [report]

@ Amelia

Fine… if being pro-life is anti-choice, then so is wanting to enforce any law or rule by society.  How many times have regulations come into place that have taken away what some people considered “freedoms” - to own another person, to discriminate based on unchangeable factors…. so why should those who stand up against abortion be called that now?

And they’re not saying you don’t have a choice: Don’t have sex if you’re not willing to take the consequences that may include a pregnancy.  If that’s not a choice, what is?  Those who didn’t truly consent to the sex that got them pregnant and get an abortion are a small percentage.

And in case you couldn’t tell, I was trying to say that I used to be more offensive and use terms like “Pro-death” but after maturing somewhat I know that throwing around terms that people don’t call themselves is not going to help anything!  I’m just asking for the same respect back, at least in what you call me!

Why don’t we call:
In favor of abortion rights ==> Pro-Choice
Think abortion should be eliminated ==> Pro life?

... what we think of ourselves as and stop the name-calling!

joyy
wrote on January 26 2009 @ 05:27 pm: [report]

@cougiex - the problem is that you will never be able to eliminate abortion.  Yes, the percentage of people seeking abortions who were raped/molested is probably small.  But women have been terminating pregnancies since they’ve figured out ways to do it.  You can’t eliminate certain ills from human life, like rape, incest, abortion, substance abuse, etc. 

It would be great if no one ever needed/wanted to terminate a pregnancy.  It would also be great if no one was ever raped.  But these things can’t just be wiped off the face of the earth.  So we try to make the world as safe as we can, and part of that is keeping abortion legal so that those who need/seek it can do so safely.  Good sex ed can reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, which can reduce the number of abortions.  Idealism is nice, but unfortunately, it rarely accomplishes much when reality isn’t factored in (see also: my brother’s vote for nader).