Mind Of Man: Clothes Do Not Make The Man
Posted by: John DeVore
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11:00AM, Wednesday October 21st 2009
To many women, looking stylish is a total obsession. And I don’t think you dress to kill to impress the men in your lives, because we just aren’t that picky, nor are our tastes refined enough to offer substantial critiques. I gave up watching “Project Runway” (the female equivalent of UFC) after the second season because I always backed the losing designer, without fail. I think it’s a ladies-only horse race. Women dress up for other women. Dudes are casual spectators of your beloved sport.
When the current woman I’m dating (I know how you ladies love nicknames, so let’s just call her “the current woman I’m dating” or TCWID) dolls up, she makes me sweat like a prom date. She looks beautiful and reminds me of a cactus flower: a colorful, delicate, powerful little bloom that a thorny, ugly world shouldn’t produce but does. And then there are the nights where she greets me at her door wearing nothing but a t-shirt, boy shorts and glasses and my heart high-fives my brain. Packaging isn’t a huge priority to men. But that doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate the short skirts.
I measure time shopping for clothes in dog minutes: every minute feels like seven. There is nothing more hilarious than watching a man hunching over like a slowly deflating balloon shuffle out of a dressing room so his girlfriend can squeal or nod.
On the flip side, I know most ladies probably pine for more fashion-forward dudes, and there are bunches out there. I know only one thing about fashion—that women judge men on their shoes. Which is why, in my pile of oh-so comfortable, ratty, aesthetically neutral sneakers, I have a pair of wide-soled black shoes for when I go out with a woman. They are the fashion foundation upon which I build the hobo shantytown that is my personal “look.” Usually, I think about clothes the way I think about the food pyramid: I need multiple servings of button-down shirts, fewer servings of pants, and then a couple offerings from the shoe group. I have no sense of style, and I know I’m sized up on how I dress. If I had to explain my “look,” which I’ve cultivated over the years by not being naked, I’d describe it as “freshly laundered.”
This is a minor source of insecurity, but I don’t think I have the aptitude to express myself sartorially. It’s too bad first impressions can’t be made with finger paints, or feats of strength, or dirty jokes. I occupy my scarce ration of brain cells with such topics as “How To Open This Jar” and “Politicians: Those Guys Get Me Steamed,” instead of “Is This Last Season?” And I’d rather spend my money on … just about anything else. Steak? Power tools? Comic books? It’s not just the expense, either. It’s the brightly lit dungeons known as “department stores.” Sartre was wrong: hell is the modern retail experience. I measure time shopping for clothes in dog minutes: every minute feels like seven. There is nothing more hilarious than watching a man hunching over like a slowly deflating balloon shuffle out of a dressing room so his girlfriend can squeal or nod. Funny, unless it’s happening to me.
My dad was old-school; he wore humble suits bought at discount stores. I was raised to think that clothes are purely functional and that peacocks are guilty of vanity, a moral no-no in my house (blame my Catholicism and the fact that my granddad was a Baptist preacher). But I know this isn’t entirely true. My dad was a successful man, and while he wore suits off the rack from Sears, he was always well put-together and polished. Therefore, I get that old saying that a person wears clothes, not vice versa.
I have plenty of male friends who are impeccable dressers. One in particular edits a bunch of popular websites, and he’s always hip and sharply put-together. When we hang out, we look like The Odd Couple, if The Odd Couple starred Don Draper and Jimmy Kimmel. I envy his knack, and it would be dismissive not to mention that he obviously puts time into it. He is proud of how he looks, and I respect that. I am proud of not eating with my fingers. I accept that fashion is an art; the body is the canvas, the fabric the paint, the draping the brushstroke, and it’s all unified by a single vision. Fashion melds function with flourish. I can’t really criticize anyone for wearing clothes that transform the way they see themselves and the way they see a sometimes dreary environment. But when I see a beautiful woman in a stunning, haute-couture gown, all I can think is, “Damn, she looks good!”
Maybe I just don’t have it in me or maybe I’m missing the “fabulousness” chromosome. I’d beg someone for a makeover, but I know it would be a month before I was back to wearing button-downs and jeans. So I won’t wear Crocs (again). I will wear the absolute opposite of whatever Jon Gosselin is wearing. Tank tops only if I’m fishing? Iron Maiden t-shirts purely for ironic purposes? More than two pairs of jeans, a couple of nice ties, and nothing that actually has “Old Navy” written on it—deal? Can I get a pass? Oh, and Amelia: I thought that hoodie I wore at that club was cool. I had no idea it was actually part of a “track suit.” I bought it on sale in Queens. (Thankfully, sexily attired TCWID didn’t notice this horrid faux pas.) [Whatever. When can we talk about your hair?—Editor]
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SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:25 am: [report]
Famous last words… “Is this a dress up date?”
luke15chick
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:31 am: [report]
i have been through that conversation more times than I care to count. what’s the point of going out on a date if we both look like we’re just chilling around the house? And do you really think I want to wear a dress if we’re staying in the house not going anywhere?
hops09
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:32 am: [report]
I have to dsiagree with this article. I believe clothes (plus hair, grooming, etc.) definitely make the man. But it’s so easy to be a well dressed man. It doesn’t take a tenth of the effort that it takes women. So there aren’t any excuses for looking like a bum, unless that’s how you want to look.
Every man should know the basic principles of fit and style.
SassyDaisy
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:33 am: [report]
Hahaha…another great piece…i do believe that the person wears the clothes not vice versa. I’ve had friends that would only wear designers and still look cheap, then i had people wear less expensive clothing and look like a million bucks…
However i do like it when a guy puts a little effort into looking good to impress me
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:34 am: [report]
Yawn. Snorefest. Thanks JDV.
I will be alone forever because of my love for shorts, flip-flops and casual golf shirts.
luke15chick
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:38 am: [report]
@cheese you can still love your shorts, flip flops and casual golf shirts, just dress nice at least occasionally. for women like me, it’s so satisfying knowing a guy is capable of dressing nice,therefore when it warrants such an occasion you can do it confidently on your own.
Riley
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:44 am: [report]
@Cheese - Yes.
SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:46 am: [report]
JDV: You’ve missed the point of watching Project Runway.
Top reasons to watch Runway:
* To hear Heidi say “hello” when she addresses the group.
* To hear the celebrity judges make snippy little comments.
* To watch the contestants squirm when their designs are being criticized…
** Bonus if they boys cry like a 6 year old.
* Tim Gunn. He is the best “coach” I’ve ever seen. His advice is always spot on.
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:47 am: [report]
Nah, I’ll pass.
luke15chick
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:47 am: [report]
can i just say how excited i am to hear a guy back Project Runway? even if one of your reasons involves Heidi Klum.
SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 10:56 am: [report]
@luke15chick: I was raised in a family of all boys… John Wayne movies, Monday Night Football, and settling conflicts with boxing gloves were the laws of the land.
When I had my own family, I was surrounded by daughters. I’ve been enlightened to the “softer side” and the balance is pretty cool.
GreenAura
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:02 am: [report]
@ JDV: I see nothing wrong with button down shirts w/ jeans Just make sure your jeans are clean and your shirt has all the buttons. Women like well-dressed men, sure. BUT if the man dresses better than the woman, her first thought may be one of 2 things:
- He’s possibly gay
- Damn, he dresses better than me so he is either high maintenance or I need to kick it up a notch.
Just remember, we like to be the hotter gender. Allow us that privilege.
dandrean
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:04 am: [report]
i so don’t trust men who dress to nicely.
mainly because they are most likely gay.
yeah yeah, i know.
MAJOR stereotype… but thats just from personal experience…
luke15chick
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:06 am: [report]
@southoc, not to be insulting but when i think of John Wayne movies I think of my grandfather, so you’re kinda dating yourself there.
SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:10 am: [report]
@GreenAura:
Hell hath no fury like a woman who’s man dresses nicer than she does…
SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:16 am: [report]
@luke15chick: I’m 50 and proud of it! Concepts like wisdom, experience, and maturity can’t be bought. You have to earn them by living, learning, and enjoying life’s journey.
I hope you don’t plan on rolling over and dying when you reach a certain age.
luke15chick
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:24 am: [report]
@ southoc If you ever met me you would know that the likelihood of me reaching an age of rolling over and dying is near impossible (yeah i know i’m young). but i gotta give you credit you seem pretty lively and openminded from what i’ve seen/read, which is a lot more than i can say for my parents, who are a few years older than you.
WMassSoprano
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:46 am: [report]
I think my BF always looks good… not that he always dresses well. If we’re going to a function, he’ll usually ask me what type of dress is appropriate and he can rock the “jeans and a nice button-down” look with the best of them. Now if I could just get him to wear a decent pair of shoes when we go out he’ll be hotter than hot. (I love him, but a stylish shirt, nice jeans and hiking boots do not an outfit make) I just don’t know how to broach the subject without sounding like one of “those” girlfriends!
lindseylee21
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:49 am: [report]
@CheeeeEEEEse - No you won’t. I happen to love that look. And I’m a redhead… and if I remember correctly you like redheads, no?
I personally like a guy with a more relaxed style. I don’t want him to spend more time getting ready than I do.
amandabear
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:54 am: [report]
I think jeans and a button down is great, actually. Throw a sweater on over the button down when it’s cold and I will swoon. Most of the guys I see around my neighborhood look like ratty, unwashed orphans with beards, so it doesn’t take much to make me happy.
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 11:57 am: [report]
Yeah, except I forgo doing things where my ‘look’ wouldn’t be appropriate. Such as clubbing, nice restaurants, etc.
lindseylee21
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 12:01 pm: [report]
@CheeeeEEEEse - Clubbing sucks anyway! Anyone over 25 is too old for that.
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 12:05 pm: [report]
I’m 24….
Lynn
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 12:33 pm: [report]
My BF actually likes me to stand outside of the fitting room and gets a little annoyed when I want to run off and shop for myself while he tries things on. But then, he sits outside the fitting room when I try stuff on too. It has taken me almost 2 years to believe him when he says that he likes it, and I’m still not 100% sure that he does. But he does look awfully hot most of the time.
@GreenAura - a button down, jeans, and shoes that aren’t sneakers is such a perfect uniform for a guy who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Just go to the store, ask the sales assistant to help you make sure everything is fitting how it should, and you’re set for like 90% of the dates you’re going to go on. That outfit can take a guy from work to Applebees to a fancy night at a swanky cocktail bar.
C.Munro
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:01 pm: [report]
First, let me say that Mr. DeVore has done well to capture the clothes-shopping experience for most men. It’s not as excruciating as a trip to the dentist, but it’s less pleasant than waiting in line for a new driver’s license.
But even though the process of shopping for clothes sucks bigtime, I do enjoy looking good. That doesn’t mean I read fashion mags or can recognize a specific designer’s work without seeing a label, and I wouldn’t exactly consider myself fashion conscious. However, I do what looks good on me. I know that Calvin Kline’s jeans make me look thinner than Levi’s and that Tommy Hilfiger shirts make me look heavy and stuck in the ‘90s, for example. I know that a single-breasted navy pinstripe suit with a moderate lapel width will look good no matter wide or skinny ties get, and that windsor knots are for cretins. And I have to say that I have a pretty good eye for putting together outfits.
Of course, I still have a closet full of holey, old, rockshow shirts.
One last thing I’d like to bring up is location. When I lived in Austin, going out in a $200 shirt and a pair of flip flops wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow. In Dallas, it would be frowned upon, unless you managed to spend $200 on the flip flops too. There is a large element to fashion that is regional, what you can get away with where you are.
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:12 pm: [report]
@c.munro: Really? The Dentist? No way. I like going there. I’d rather slit my wrists then shop for clothes.
C.Munro
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:20 pm: [report]
I should have added “for a root canal” in that statement. Now that you mention it, the dentist can be kinda cool. Free nitrous ....
equnsuocha
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:35 pm: [report]
The funny thing with me and my bf is I am a “hit it and quit it” shopper 99% of the time, I used to say I shop like a dude. I know what I want, I usually know what size I need, I have a definite style, and unless they rearranged the store recently I know where everything is. In and out, no fuss no muss. My BF on the other hand is a “SHOPPER” he will browse, meander, oogle, touch, compare, even sometimes smell, dont ask, everything in the mens department of any store we go to. But heaven forbid I tell him to try something on. It’s like I just suggested chemical castration. We’re weird. I love it.
Molly Jean
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:46 pm: [report]
So this is coming from the most loving place possible/someone who is a huge & respectful fan all things written by John DeVore…
You wore a hoodie? Out? Really? How old are you, John? Because really, unless you are running around the city throwing Rocky punches in preparation for something big, you really shouldn’t. Thank God you have Amelia & TCWID. Amelia, please help John!
Oh & I never really notice a man’s shoes (unless they are really awesome/unusual). I do love a man’s watch, though. It doesn’t matter how expensive it is or where it is from, but they’re just so sexy to me!
PurpleLily
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 01:55 pm: [report]
I have to agree with JDV on this. As long as the attire is appropriate, clean and comfortable for the wearer, it’s ok with me.
If I have to state a personal preference though, I’d prefer jeans and a shirt.
And sometimes an apparent style faux pas is actually endearing: yesterday evening I was at a local club to see two good friends playing in an acoustic duo.
This guy (that I really, really like) had said he couldn’t come as he had a yoga class to teach that night, out of town (about 45 minutes by car). But, after they had played the first set he arrived in a rush, profusely apologizing for still being dressed in his workout clothes (he was not at all sweaty or smelly, mind you). I sincerely couldn’t have cared less about what he was wearing, it was just so sweet that he had drove all the way right after the class to be there.
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NomChompsky
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 02:29 pm: [report]
I don’t criticize the way you dress. Don’t try to make me dress like you want me to, because it just reeks of condescension. It’s possible for a guy to have opinions on fashion of his own.
If you don’t want to sleep with me because of a difference in sartorial aesthetic, you probably weren’t my type in the first place.
cooldad
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 02:32 pm: [report]
I know every restaurant in LA where I can’t wear tshirts & shorts. If I have to dress up - sweater over tshirt & jeans. I don’t get it. I’ll never get it. and btw, I think women look hot in the same. At work, started my own company & donated all my suits & ties to charity.
writergirl
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 02:38 pm: [report]
The best thing my husband ever uttered to me was a one night, after a glass of wine, and the lights were low and he said, “You know…I really think I need to start investing in my wardrobe.” I could have cried.
Even better…he did.
MuchoMacho
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 03:13 pm: [report]
jeans. tshirts. khakis (with cargo pocket (for books)). couple of thermal long sleeve shirts. one pair of ratty sneakers i wear in real life. a few pairs of dressier shoes i wear for… dressing up. one black suit. multiple shirts/ties for said suit. gym clothes.
you have now completed your tour of my closet. i do not desire change.
SouthOC
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 03:23 pm: [report]
@cooldad: You’re my new hero!
Anniushka
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 04:03 pm: [report]
I’m in college. A “well-dressed” guy is one who wears well-fitting jeans, a button-down shirt, and shoes that are not flip-flops or athletic-specific. Most guys here do not dress like this. That’s okay, but I’ll notice when a guy does dress well… especially the part about well-fitting jeans!
cooldad
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 04:51 pm: [report]
@cheese -I agree. I’ve not stepped foot in a clothing store in 10 years. I’m blessed - my wife buys all my work clothes. Nights & weekends are shorts/t shirts bought at tshirt shops on vacation. There’s too much to do in the world, esp in LA where it’s sunny & 70 every day, than waste a moment shopping for clothes
40yrolddad
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 05:25 pm: [report]
so where are guys supposed to learn about fashion? it’s obviously not something our fathers teach us… I’m @ a point where I can afford the wardrobe but have no idea what to buy. my closet’s at the extremes - I have some really nice stuff (Burberry, Bill Blass, Facconable, etc) & a bunch of old knit shirts from vendors (perk of my job), fav sports teams, etc. how can u get the “what not to wear” experience w/o being on TV?
writergirl
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 05:33 pm: [report]
@40yrolddad—that is why you have a wife
But if she isn’t willing or able for whatever reason, hire a stylist/personal shopper.
40yrolddad
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 05:47 pm: [report]
thx but if I’m going to do this I want to learn/understand, not just write a check (/sign a slip)...
writergirl
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 05:53 pm: [report]
A good stylist/personal shopper explains why “A” looks better on you than “B” and actually does explain it during the process.
cooldad
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 06:02 pm: [report]
what happens if one of your friends sees you in a clothing store with a personal shopper? It’d be like one of those Southwest Airlines commercials -gotta get away. Just write a check
onewriter
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 09:05 pm: [report]
My SO dresses very nicely - almost no matter what he wears looks good on him. He says it’s because he won’t buy anything that doesn’t look good. lol I think as long as you are comfortable, and not makiing a spectacle of yourself, (girl or guy) you will look just fine.
Ellis
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 09:06 pm: [report]
I used to leaf through mens magazines (Esquire and things…maybe GQ once in a while?) at work, and those didn’t seem like entirely shabby places to begin learning to dress. I mean, there would be actual articles explaining exactly where the sleeve of a suit-jacket should fall, which types of shoes go with what sorts of outfits, and so on and so forth. I’m actually incredibly jealous - I wish such simple, essential rules existed for women’s clothing. I’m sure it still takes men work to look truly fashionable, but I think that merely dressing well is much easier for them than it is for us.
At any rate, button-downs, decent shoes, and well-fitting jeans are really all I require of a man. Just, you know, a general realization that it’s not appropriate to wear ratty athletic shoes with everything, or that shapeless long-sleeved t-shirts don’t suit single a person on earth. Why, why do more men not understand that? It would make all the difference in attraction.
Meg
wrote on October 21 2009 @ 09:09 pm: [report]
It doesn’t take much for a man to dress well. Just wear clothes that fit and that are appropriate—not baseball caps, t-shirts, old tennis shoes and baggy jeans. Wearing clothes that fit your frame, layering and going with a classic but modern look will make any guy stand out in the crowd. It’s not rocket science.
And we don’t want guys to go to extreme lengths to be stylish. That makes us nervous that the guy might be gay. Women are stylish. Men should be well-dressed.
Watch What Not To Wear. You’ll see what I mean. (And scurry to build a decent wardrobe before you get nominated!)
SouthOC
wrote on October 22 2009 @ 09:27 am: [report]
@Meg: Regarding “What not to Wear”...
I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing half of the shirts Clinton wears. Yikes! It’s more like “queer eye for the queer guy.” (no gay bashing here, just talking about fashion).
venusian
wrote on October 22 2009 @ 12:26 pm: [report]
i think a guy looks good in whatever he is comfortable in. Some guys look their best in sweats and others look great in a white shirt and snug jeans… others in a flannel shorts and flip flops…
clothes may not “make” the man but they certainly help.
there are some “don’t” styling tools that will help any man from turning off a woman… my favorite example: wearing white sport socks with dress shoes. GOD this kills me!
my best advice is to find your style and wear it well. this will attract the right girl and if she wants you to dress up once in a while, if it makes her happy there’s no harm. We do plenty of dressing up for you ....
Dave The Rave
wrote on October 22 2009 @ 03:39 pm: [report]
I like the article and can relate. Twenty-five years ago - 20’s - I was dressed up every day for work and was often told I was “dressed to the nines”. One item I can’t find anymore are short-sleeved dress shirts! So, polos it is! I have my traditional get-up and all is fine.
I have a tie collection that should be in the Smithsonian! Some ties are from the 70’s! Also, I have the tie my grandfather was wearing when he got married - so it’s 80 years old! My graduation pictures have me sporting it 30 years ago!
Yes, fashion sense is a good thing and some women overdo it! Both in how they over-dress and then over-analyze the man in their circle. I absolutely HATE when a woman says - “Is THAT what you’re wearing?” A comeback of ‘Yes. Is that what YOU’RE wearing?’ gets you slapped!
Always something. Just think if Adam & Eve had a tailor! At least back then.
“I’ve got nothing to wear.”
‘Here’s the latest fad - a fig leaf.’
LOL
canadiancutie
wrote on October 22 2009 @ 09:38 pm: [report]
I don’t like just one look on a guy. Sure, a guy dressed up in a suit is really sexy. But one of the things that drew me to my man was his style - he was wearing skinny jeans, a skull belt, a chain, a t-shirt promoting a local band (his friends’ band), and the coolest hair I’d ever seen on a dude. I couldn’t wait to UNdress him. lol. Different women will be attracted to different styles. And sometimes, various styles on a given day.
Frederica Bimble
wrote on October 23 2009 @ 10:15 am: [report]
I was going to comment on this one but I got bored…..
Lynn
wrote on October 23 2009 @ 11:36 am: [report]
@ Dave The Rave - I have to say I’m thrilled that short-sleeve dress shirts are getting hard to find. If you’re warm, just roll the sleeves up. The people who make The Office put Dwight Shrute in short sleeve dress shirts for a reason. It’s not attractive.
business shirts
wrote on October 23 2009 @ 03:55 pm: [report]
Tell me about it!
If only there was some way to speed up the experience of shopping for shirts…
Morwen
wrote on October 24 2009 @ 05:21 am: [report]
I may be a girl, but I’m completely unable of matching clothes, and I’ll wear something “fun” (robot t-shirt, rain boots, metallica t-shirt for ironical purposes with good-girl-pleated-skirt) ages before I wear something trendy.
So, guys, thank you for not being all fashionable. Wear whatever you want because it’s actually a relief.
River
wrote on October 26 2009 @ 11:01 am: [report]
Have to say, though, going from a hippie SO to Mr. Fashionister is kinda nice. I know when I go out that as his clothes warm up, they aren’t going to smell like BO.
I can’t tell you how much of a turn on it is to see him in his work suit- I’ll put up with him dragging me down to Saville Row in London for a bespoke suit just to be able to rip it off him when he gets home!
slip
wrote on October 27 2009 @ 09:18 am: [report]
Guys, if you spend 1/10 of the time on your appearance that most women do, you’ll look 1,000 times better. Even lumpy men like me look suave in clothes that fit, and bespoke clothing can make you turn heads.
Dressing like a kid at camp is nothing to be proud of.
Slip
onewriter
wrote on October 27 2009 @ 09:19 am: [report]
my sentiments exactly…what IS it with the pants off the ass thing? NOT sexy
B Rose
wrote on October 27 2009 @ 09:24 am: [report]
After dating a man whose idea of well-dressed was the same pair of cargo pants (who needs that many pockets?!?!) and every neutral color of a ringer tee, I am so pleased to be dating a man who actually has some sense of style. Doesn’t take much, really: a nice pair of jeans, a button-down shirt, and some upscale sneakers do it for me.
slip
wrote on October 27 2009 @ 09:36 am: [report]
40yrolddad and business shirts, you guys can afford hand-made shirts, so get thee to a tailor and take his advice. He’ll explain it all in plain English. You’ll look better, and you’ll get laid more often and with more vigor. Even if you’re married. Especially if you’re married.
Until that happy day,
http://www.esquire.com/style/5000-wardrobe/5000wardrobe
Slip
SouthOC
wrote on October 27 2009 @ 04:27 pm: [report]
I dress up to go out the same way I dress for work… A pair of slacks and a Tommy Bahama shirt. The thing I hate most about wearing a suit and tie for special occasions is the dress shoes. Most of them feel like torture devices.
MetryJen
wrote on October 30 2009 @ 01:36 pm: [report]
Trust me, it’s not any fun for the ladies to take you shopping, either. My SO used to want me to go shopping with him, but then when we got there he would proceed to ignore my tips and suggestions, and then get p!ssed at me because I wasn’t “helping him enough.”
I know he’s just frustrated because he doesn’t really know what to do, but I’ve gotten to the point where I just straight up refuse to go. He’s a grown man, he can pick out his own freaking clothes.
KatieBlue
wrote on November 4 2009 @ 04:28 pm: [report]
I can’t imagine wanting a guy that’s a fashionista. All the male models I see look gay and like they want nothing to do with me. Women wear fashion because they like wearing it, not to get laid, not to out dress other women, because it makes them feel good and expresses their attitude.
IMO guys look best in worn jeans and nothing else - no shoes, no shirt, nothing but chest hair. Shorts and flip flops are fine, as is a suit if it’s not polyester (same for the shorts). All you really have to do is make sure your clothes fit right - and your hair isn’t in a dorky cut and most all of you are very sexy.
ciarabug
wrote on November 6 2009 @ 01:10 pm: [report]
it made me super happy when he mentioned project runway as the female UFC for the simple reason that project runway and ufc/wec are my (and believe it or not my boyfriend’s—but he’s an art student, so it passes) favourite things on tv after my reigning all-time favourite….Ghost Hunters.