Is Outercourse The New Intercourse?
Posted by: Wendy Atterberry
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8:00AM, Tuesday July 7th 2009
Want to know how you can have more intimate, orgasmic sex without actually having sex? It’s called “outercourse” and Yvonne Fulbright, a “sexpert” at FoxNews of all places, has all the details. “Outercourse is the umbrella term for any kind of sex play that doesn’t involve oral or traditional sex,” she explains. “It’s ideal in minimizing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and the risk of pregnancy, although the method is not completely foolproof – depending on how much clothing you keep on.” There are lots of reasons “lovers of all ages in all sorts of relationships may engage in outercourse,” Fulbright says. More, after the jump.
— They want to abstain from intercourse
— They don’t have the energy or desire to “go all the way.”
— They long to add some variety to lovemaking.
— One partner has an infection.
— She is menstruating.
— When much-needed contraceptives or prophylactics are not handy – again when not using birth control, it’s best to keep many layers of clothing between you and your lover.
Outercourse promotes passion, Fulbright enthuses. It removes the end-goal, relieving performance anxiety for men especially so that both partners can “relish pleasures often missed along the way.” Outercourse allows “lovemaking to last longer, and couples are given the opportunity to soak in more of what the sexual experience is about. Partners may feel closer and more connected with each other and themselves.” So exactly what does outercourse entail? How can couples “reclaim the thrill of the forbidden nature of sex”?
Fulbright defines any of the following activities as “outercourse,” but warns not to get too carried away with any of them lest you suddenly find yourself engaging in intercourse, which, you know, could be the worst thing in the world:
Erotic Talk. Whether in the boudoir, over the phone, via text or online, lovers can catapult each other to a carnal cosmos with some lascivious lingo. Wanton words not only amp things up, but escalate interactions to orgasm when complemented by some autoerotic action.
Sensual Storytelling. Between reading sexy stories and looking at erotica, lovers can entertain themselves for hours while playing with their own hot spots. Fantasizing that they are part of the story further lends to a tale’s climactic moments.
Role-Playing. By sharing fantasies, lovers can pick and choose their preferred real-life passion pursuits. Some of the hottest sex scenes haven’t involved any intercourse, like Sharon Stone in “Basic Instinct.”
Lovers can lose themselves in scenarios that capitalize on the fact that your mind is your biggest sex organ.
Erotic Massage. Lovers work every part of the body with scintillating sexual touch.
Kissing. The power of hot’n’heavy make out sessions should never be underestimated, especially when it’s unexpected. Suck face and grope each other like teenagers, eventually showering your lover’s entire body with kisses.
Cybersex. Via instant messaging, E-mail, Internet chatrooms, or cyberspace forums, lovers can have tech sex of all types. Maximum satisfaction is realized in how much you choose to touch yourself versus your keyboard.
Strip Teases. Eroticism is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to showing some skin. Give your lover his or her own private viewing, being sure to conclude your routine with some lush lip action and titillating touches.
Sexual Enhancement Products. Sex toys were practically made for outercourse. Offering variety, experimentation, and hours of entertainment, lovers can explore each other’s bodies as they tap all of their senses. And these days, with remote controlled devices, this can happen in and out of the bedroom.
Mutual Masturbation. Pleasure yourself for your partner’s pleasure. Or erotically massage each other’s bodies at the same time. Or take turns stimulating the other. In any case, you learn what your partner likes while realizing mutual sexual satisfaction.
Dry sex. Dry humping doesn’t have to die after graduating high school. Lovers can rub up against each other to no end, stimulating each other into oblivion.
Water works. All of this outercourse may cause lovers to work up a sweat. Or maybe you just want to get wet. Taking to a bath or shower allows for the perfect post-rub down.
My vote for the most frustrating outercourse combo: Strip tease, kissing, dry sex.
My vote for the you-need-a-real-date-stat outercourse combo: Cybersex followed by water works. [via FoxNews]
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CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:08 am: [report]
Fox News is trying to be my grand mother.
likeOMGkbye
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:17 am: [report]
if I’m gonna have a hardcore make-out session, I’m boinking.
BeTheBuilding
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:18 am: [report]
I guess I just had outercourse the other night, and now I know what to call it. On one hand it’s great when you can be with someone stress free (in regards to Pregnancy, STD’s, or even emotional consequence of sleeping with someone when you might not be ready.) On the other hand, it gets awkward when it clearly is leading no where.
SEMI-girl
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:20 am: [report]
Me and my boyfriend had “outercourse” during our first week of dating, namely a five hour long make-out session that left us both dehydrated and him with his first ever case of blue balls. Needless to say, it didn’t take us long to work up to the real thing.
lostrun
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:40 am: [report]
“Dry humping doesn’t have to die after graduating high school. ” Yes, yes it does. It’s fine when I was 15, but at nearly 30, it’s just sad.
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:44 am: [report]
Hmm. Will this be taught in abstinence classes? No actual pictures of genitalia - God forbid!! - but maybe very vague images that point out where to make sure you’re especially layered, clothing-wise?
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with any of these suggestions, except that they’re suggested final courses, not appetizers. It’s sort of like going out, starving, to a fine restaurant, smelling every single one of the amazing dishes, and then going home and chewing gum.
Well, OK, it’s not _quite_ like that, and sometimes these things are perfect for the occasion. But… I get the feeling these are being pushed as a means to replace sex, not augment it or substitute for it when sex isn’t convenient.
Jess
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:56 am: [report]
most people move on to the real thing. Some faster then others.
SlumberPartiesByRachel
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 08:58 am: [report]
you have got to be kidding me… i love how fox news just relabeled foreplay as ‘outercourse’. as a fellow sexpert, this is a ‘no duh’ theory. women need at least an hour of foreplay to be ‘vaginally ready’, so of course women are going to love the idea of outercourse.
i have a feeling this ‘outercourse’ fad will be over as quick as foreplay usually is.
Shotputter
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 09:25 am: [report]
mutual masturbation can transmit STDs and HIV…..if you doubt me google syphilis finger
The Nomad
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:20 am: [report]
“They don’t have the energy or desire to “go all the way.””
If you’re too tired or flat-out don’t want to fark, just say it. No need to add to the (mental) pain of rejection by adding in some (physical) pain from intentional arousal with no resolution.
snap
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:31 am: [report]
@bat leaper: what do you know about women’s bodies. girls should have intercourse when the time is right for them, not when some stupid man thinks it’s appropriate.
bogart4017
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:32 am: [report]
Yeah—where i come from we call that “foreplay”.
jimnist10
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:33 am: [report]
@Bat Leaper: Sure, BLAME rampant teen pregnancy on girls not knowing how to give hand jobs. You’re kidding, right? And jerk yourself off if you get blue balls! I’m sure your hands work just fine.
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:46 am: [report]
Agreed. I don’t blame teen pregnancies on women who just refuse to do right by their man by jerking him off. I blame them primarily on guys pushing women to have sex with them before they’re ready and before they’ve had a chance to properly prepare (including birth control). Not to say women don’t want sex, aren’t responsible for saying no, can’t help to ensure birth control is used if they say yes, and so on. But I suspect that many teen pregnancies - and for that matter, a lot of teen sex - are due to pressure from the guy, and not vice versa.
But, silly me, it could all be avoided with some hand jobs.
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 10:50 am: [report]
@Bat Leaper: Seriously? Hand jobs would stop date rape? Seriously? And women expect men to do all the work and therefore are lousy in bed? Wow. We’ve known very different women, and apparently think date rape has very different causal factors and preventative measures.
sadie
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:04 am: [report]
I am still LOLing at the phrase ““sexpert” at FoxNews”
bumbler
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:18 am: [report]
Somethings just make you want to quit the internet -_-
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:24 am: [report]
@Bat Leaper - I meant that the women I’ve known haven’t expected the man to be the sole provider of pleasure to both partners. I dispute that most women feel that way, although I could see a woman who was utterly indifferent about the man she was with not caring to give him pleasure.
The date rape comment was inspired by a few of my friends who have been raped by acquaintances. In those cases, alcohol and - at times - Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam) was involved. In none of the *counts in head* six cases of date rape I’m familiar with did the man ask for a hand job then proceed to rape the woman because she refused. An attitude that says it’s OK to expect a hand job isn’t going to do anything to reduce date rape, because it encourages the wrong state of mind.
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:26 am: [report]
Sorry all - I was replying to a comment that seems to no longer exist. Still, I stand by what I said.
bumbler
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:41 am: [report]
But jsw, batleaper is being amazingly progressive. No longer do we owe men full penetration after they have paid for a meal or maybe a few drinks. Now the woman is only obligated to be treated like a prostitute who specializes in handjobs. Happy day!
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:50 am: [report]
@bumbler: Wait a second - you’re saying we need to buy you a meal or drinks first? That seems a bit much. It’s just a hand job, and it’s really just because we’re feeling horny. Surely you can understand how that would help, and how powerless we are to avoid date rape or otherwise pressuring you into sex otherwise. But if we’ve shelled out for food and/or drink, I think anal sex is appropriate, either before _or_ after a blow job (your choice, because we’re gentlemen).
bumbler
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 11:59 am: [report]
I’m going to start using this on my own “You there, Man, you hath aroused me and my mighty libido. You are hereby ordered to go down on me and expect nothing in return. On your knees.” It wouldn’t be my fault. Apparently we’re all slaves to our loins.
onewriter
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 12:29 pm: [report]
I think you guys are all missing the point. Bat Leaper said “I have always felt that girls should have their first orgasm before they have intercourse.” I took that to mean that the girl should have a head start as guys get off easier, and everybody just went nuts assuming that everybody else is blaming everybody else for being rude or inconsiderate. (sigh) please remember that 7% of communication is words. the rest is made up of body language and visual and verbal cues….only 7%!! no wonder people get misunderstood. As to the article, it is what fox is good at. relabeling something that already exists and trying to put a different spin on it. Yes, it’s foreplay, and yes, in my opinion, it would only lead to more trouble or frustration…you want date rape? try heavy petting and dry humping only for satisfaction…
bumbler
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 12:37 pm: [report]
@onewriter we’re discussing BatLeaper’s response to Jimnist. I don’t think there are any nonverbal clues that could soften the idea that women need to give more handjobs so they don’t get date raped.
onewriter
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 12:41 pm: [report]
okay, the FIRST part of what he said is weird…if he really meant it that way. but as to the article…it’s just as ridiculous in a different way. granted those are some great foreplay ideas…
_jsw_
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 01:01 pm: [report]
@onewriter: Sorry, but I don’t think the article is nearly as ridiculous - and it takes a lot for me to say that about a Fox News article - as the suggestion that “guys would not be pressuring the girls for sex so much if they were getting relief manually, and date rape would virtually disappear.” I don’t think there’s any room to improperly interpret what he’s saying. I also think your 7% is way off, as that would imply we’re 14 times as aware of what someone means when we can see them. Yes, it’s better, but not 14 times better.
Shasta
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 02:45 pm: [report]
The Date Rape/hand Job connection and all the ancillary banter is hilarious.
So much more interesting than the FoxNews Sexpert. Huh? This is new because why? Sounded like some abstinence-only program until they brought in the sex toys and masturbation. I didn’t think FoxNews allowed those words on the air.
By the way, there are those who lament the lost art of the hand job.
The
onewriter
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 03:09 pm: [report]
actually, maybe it’s a lost art for a reason..my partner isn’t interested in teaching me that way of pleasuring him…so, maybe it’s not as good.
Ginger
wrote on July 7 2009 @ 03:28 pm: [report]
“Partners may feel closer and more connected with each other and themselves.”
a) I really don’t see how not having one partner inside the other makes you closer than, you know, having one partner inside the other.
b) I’m one of those girls who needs penetration of some kind to orgasm. So to me (and anyone like me) this outercourse thing is nothing more than romanticized (at least when this woman describes it) foreplay.
Also, FoxNews has sexperts? Are they going to tell us about this hot new position called ‘Missionary’ next?
eskim00ninja
wrote on July 8 2009 @ 02:05 am: [report]
@ bat leaper
You seem like a total douche bag.
classysassy
wrote on July 8 2009 @ 07:23 am: [report]
making out is the new black.
TMMiller
wrote on July 8 2009 @ 11:04 am: [report]
@Shasta: I couldn’t agree with you more on the HJ being a lost art. I wonder if anyone would sign up for a pole dancing class of this nature?
The 40 Year Old Virgin basically covered the depth and breadth of the outercourse subject during the scene at the planned parenthood clinic:
Son: I prefer vaginal intercourse.
Dad (David Koechner): He really does.
Thanks for stopping by.
Shasta
wrote on July 8 2009 @ 08:32 pm: [report]
@classysassy - I thought Lesbian was the new black.
@TMMiller - So you feel the ladies could use a little learnin’ huh? It’s actually not an easy thing to master. It’s much simple for the owner to do it. Something about the angle. I think a class would be welcome.
_jsw_
wrote on July 8 2009 @ 08:35 pm: [report]
@Shasta: Making out with lesbians is the new black.
TMMiller
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 09:53 am: [report]
@Shasta - I’d imagine that the angle thing is tough nut to crack, so everyone could using a helping hand in the technique department but some folks need a few pointer about etiquette: no to rings, yes to lotion, no to the Western Grip, etc. Thanks for the heads up regarding the new black. I consider myself informed.
onewriter
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 10:10 am: [report]
Western grip???
_jsw_
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 10:28 am: [report]
@onewriter: The hand is “upside down” - the thumb points down and, in some instances, can explore the anus. Doesn’t sound particularly appealing to me, either.
TMMiller
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 10:36 am: [report]
@ onewriter - from Will Ferrell’s “You’re Welcome, America.” May have to Google it or hit the HBO. Pretty funny.
oldmonk
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 10:52 am: [report]
oh dear, finally catching up, some of us have enjoyed out and in for years. Maybe someday someone will chat about those of us who have had cancer, i.e. prostate and had their little ball of fire taken out. Now it means about 40-80 % loss of ability to be hard, so little machines, etc
come into play, there are hundred’s of ways to do your lovin’ I have been near 99 of them, ha, oh well, out or in it is still love making
onewriter
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 03:16 pm: [report]
@jsw…hmmm thumb down, contortionist city! sounds like a bad yoga position with questionable outcome
iamsamkeller
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 03:20 pm: [report]
@bat - date rape would vanish completely if girls knew how to give handjobs? just because a girl goes on a date and maybe has drinks does not mean that she wants to have sex. someone who date rapes has much deeper issues than blue balls.
_jsw_
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 03:26 pm: [report]
@iamsamkeller: I think we’ve all concluded that Bat Leaper is on his own with those theories. The sad thing is that he’s out in the dating pool.
iamsamkeller
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 03:30 pm: [report]
@jsw - i’m hoping that he’s some dude with a seriously demented sense of humor that was attempting to be sarcastic. it gives me the creeps to think that he might actually be serious about this.
_jsw_
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 03:49 pm: [report]
@iamsamkeller: Well, maybe - but, if that’s the case, he’s kept up that persona throughout all of his posts. I personally think he’s serious, but I hope that I’m wrong.
raqueleza
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 04:23 pm: [report]
Who actually gives handies anymore? Honestly.
_jsw_
wrote on July 10 2009 @ 04:36 pm: [report]
@raqueleza: I do. I think they’re a wonderful gift and an expression of… oh, wait, you meant for others. Never mind.
ChoJinn
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 11:34 am: [report]
Really, raquelza? I was just gonna ask for a nice Saturday afternoon HJ.
raqueleza
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 12:27 pm: [report]
Cho: I feel like a handy’s for when you’re still afraid to put it in your mouth but your dude still wants you to play with it a little. I had no idea a guy could actually be in the mood for a hand job as opposed to some other way of getting off. Dare I say I just never learned to do it right?
ChoJinn
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 12:40 pm: [report]
The old fashioned HJ definitely isn’t about bringing a guy to orgasm; it’s simply about getting your hands on it! I’m always grabbing mine, so it’s nice to have someone else do it for a change. While I’m never in the mood to lay back and have a girl work on me with her hand forever (i once had a 30 minute HJ, she used 1/2 bottle of quite expensive hand lotion, and I was never close to orgasm), I always welcome a quick grab/grope/tug/yank/whatever. The length of time isn’t important; it’s basically just about you acknowledging my penis and approving of it. A woman should never ever feel insecure about her inability to jerk her guy off correctly.
snap
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 03:39 pm: [report]
@phil: it’s called a condom! i don’t know any man in his right mind who prefers outercourse to intercourse!
Antiquity
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 04:06 pm: [report]
Wow. Paranoid much Phil? I’m pretty sure condoms are very effective, 98% effective when used properly. (http://www.hospitalhelp.co.uk/sexual_health/condoms.html )
Iammina
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 05:49 pm: [report]
My guy and me do this all the time but we call it foreplay, then we do the deed. This “outercourse” idea isn’t going to work if your past adolescence. Condoms work if you use them every time. I agree with you Phil In Reno. I, myself would never trust my partner to use birth control. Spermacide (sic) and condoms used together is even better.
carofiro
wrote on July 11 2009 @ 05:56 pm: [report]
I feel like lots of you guys are overreacting! I think this article (while it might refer to “abstinencey undertones”) is pretty great! Some days I just can’t have something down there… uncomfortable, tired, periods whatever. I think these are way better suggestions than just BJs because I don’t think I should have to do all the work just because a guy can’t put it in me. I think these suggestions are great and emphasize MUTUAL getting-off. Not never getting off. And I seriously enjoy a good make out. People jump to sex more often, and it seems like there is a lot of pressure to perform, for both men and women. I think these things, even to do just once and a while, are a great way to build respect in a relationship. I always feel pressure to get a guy off and if there were some situations where mouth/vagina were off limits, i think it would be a fun challenge.
Em.El.E.
wrote on July 12 2009 @ 01:08 pm: [report]
I recently dated a guy who, before we had done anything other than make out, informed me that HJs and BJs were (and i quote) “Unnecessary and useless” because they never got him off and although the BJs sometimes felt good, he could do a HJ better himself so why waste time…. it was strange.
_jsw_
wrote on July 12 2009 @ 01:16 pm: [report]
@Em.El.E.: He sounds like a real tiger. It’s one thing to maybe be a bit self-conscious about it. it’s another to completely preempt the entire thing way before it even becomes topical (so to speak). Also, nice of him to assume you were going to do that, because otherwise he wouldn’t have needed to make the comment. He probably goes for the cheese plate at dessert time.
draymond
wrote on July 12 2009 @ 04:18 pm: [report]
First of all, anybody who says that their lover could use a little learning about how to do this or that is not criticizing their lover, they are criticizing their own ability as a teacher. One of the most important traits of a good lover is being able to communicate with their partner how to please them. This means that a lover has no business having their partner try to give them an orgasm unless they have first learned how to give themselves an orgasm. Anything else is the blind leading the blind. Third, if you don’t know three ways to give your lover an orgasm other than genital penetration (perhaps four for men since genital penetration alone won’t give many women an orgasm) you are uncreative as a lover. The same goes for those folks who persume that it wasn’t ‘real’ if it doesn’t end up with genital sex. It isn’t, (or shouldn’t be) a set script with the same conclusion every time.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 02:21 am: [report]
@draymond…well, set script, hmmm…yes, I suppose it would be boring if you were using the standard “getitup-getitin-getitoff-getitout” method every time, but there are sooo many ways to please someone, and yourself, that even just changing one thing: crouching and squatting, instead of sitting and rocking, etc can put an extra “ooo” in your love making. But my lover and I just do what we want and go with what happens at the time. I don’t know if we’ve ever done it the same way more than twice in a row, and nothing needs to be changed hugely and consciously for it to feel new and extra nice. Just being with someone and loving them sometimes is really all you need, it doesn’t matter how you do it. But I’m not saying that many people would be satisfied with just the “outercourse” techniques. Foreplay can’t replace good sex when you really want to be with someone, and again, just being “taken” is nice too…
bbpickles
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 08:03 pm: [report]
@bat- you are disgusting, please post your pic so I can avoid you at all costs!
@phil- if you were to take responsibility for your actions you wouldn’t have to pay child support i.e. shared custody with equal amount of time with the child. You could get a vasectomy and end your worry about it??!? Or, yes, you could just avoid sex all together-good luck with that.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:02 pm: [report]
@bbpickles hear hear!! well said on both counts!
_jsw_
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:25 pm: [report]
Wow. I completely missed Phil In Reno‘s comments. Just as well, I suppose. I don’t even know where to start with comments. I suppose a fleshlight is in order, I guess. I love the “child support fluid” phrase. That doesn’t sound paranoid at all. More than a little, I’d say….
wonderfultonight
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:26 pm: [report]
A good hand job should be a pleasure for both partners. It’s too bad some think it’s outdated. I love to give my guy a body massage first, then he rolls over on his back and I kneel beside him and proceed. He loves the “over-under-around motion as well as pressure and release in the up-and-down, but ask your own partner - you can’t read his mind! We did some experimenting with what he liked. Use both hands and then you can use one to hold or *gently* caress his balls - and your hands won’t get tired if this goes on for a *half hour?* (I’ve never had that happen.) Sometimes he chooses not to cum and pulls me up on top of him for the grand finale. Great all around and leaves him smiling every time.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:28 pm: [report]
@wonderfultonight, thanks for the thought. I’ll have to see if he wants me to. he’s never said, but I’ve told him he can have whatever he wants. I’ll ask him directly on this one. xxx
_jsw_
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:29 pm: [report]
I’ll be in my bunk.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:30 pm: [report]
@jsw haha!
CourtCamp
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:33 pm: [report]
another name for outer-course is foreplay! and yes it always leads somewhere
_jsw_
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:36 pm: [report]
@Phil In Reno: I just think the “child support fluid” is going a bit too far. I hope, for your sake, that someday you find someone you can trust enough that you don’t assume they want to get pregnant with your child so that they can control your destiny.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:36 pm: [report]
@ phil hey, I’m pretty sure what people are flabbergasted about in your behavior is that you would bother with nothing but foreplay in case you happen to get a “deceitful woman” when if you’re that worried about it, you could just get a vasectomy. Talk about taking responsibility, that would be it!
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:38 pm: [report]
@jsw…yeah, put your way, it does sound rather sad…what paranoid way to live.
wonderfultonight
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:40 pm: [report]
@phil In Reno - you don’t give the woman your used condom! So you shouldn’t have to worry about her pouring your “child support fluid” into herself to try to conceive your child. I think you over-estimate how many women would want to have your offspring. Creepy! Follow your idea of no sex is the safest way to go. No woman will cry over your decision.
onewriter
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 10:53 pm: [report]
@ phil Well, as one who has seen her ex-sister-in-law get all her perfectly healthy teeth pulled just because she was going to lose her insurance, I’m sure there is a doc out there willing to help you. Especially since with men it’s easily reversible if you REALLY want it to be. So, do yourself and every poor woman you will only have foreplay with a favor and shop around.
wonderfultonight
wrote on July 13 2009 @ 11:43 pm: [report]
@Phil Agreed, penetration is not the be all and end all about sex and I am one who loves the intimacy and pleasure of other aspects of sex, and am lucky to have a terrific lover to share it with. But you seem obsessed by the idea that some woman is going to stage a sneak attack to steal your swimmers in order to get pregnant. A bit over the top paranoid. Very sad.
onewriter
wrote on July 14 2009 @ 12:06 am: [report]
other than the fact that you’re placing blame where it doesn’t necessarily belong and freakinug out over an imagined slight to your obviously impeccable nature…nothing. just go get snipped already and spare us the suffering
snap
wrote on July 14 2009 @ 10:03 am: [report]
i think phil would be doing the world a favor to get snipped. we don’t need his little conspiracy theorist, sex-hating, women-hating spawn running around.
i think phil needs a chill pill. oh yeah, and a birth control pill too.
and by the way, condoms are EXTREMELY effective when used properly. and it’s actually pretty damn difficult, if not impossible, for a woman to successfully get pregnant from old sperm in a used condom. and seriously, who would want to?!? judging what i know about mr. phil here, i’m not sure what kind of woman would WANT to be in touch with him for 18 years!
sorry, philz!
Nefret
wrote on July 15 2009 @ 05:28 am: [report]
@Phil - Are you seriously basing your strategy for your sex life around cautionary tales for professional athletes? Unless you’re in the NBA tax bracket, I *think* you might be safe from those vicious, vicious harpies who are just dying to retire off the profits of gathering your golden swimmers. And if you are in that tax bracket, perhaps you might want to invest in education for yourself beyond Sports Illustrated?
wonderfultonight
wrote on July 15 2009 @ 06:22 pm: [report]
@Phil In Reno 1.I suspect most women wouldn’t believe you - or any other man. I suspect more women have become pregnant by men who’ve said they were snipped in order to not use a condom (not a safe idea, snipped or not) than have ever been impregnated by an NBA player’s sperm filched from a used condom. 2.Unless they are considering a man for a long term relationship that might eventually lead to a family,which doesn’t seem to be your goal, it shouldn’t turn women off - she should still insist on you using a condom,anyway, or send you on your way.
BTW, I realize that some women have lied about being on the pill and have gotten pregnant by choice. A woman can get pregnant only a few days a month, but a man can impregnate a woman any time he ejaculates (unless he’s sterile, of course). The prudent thing is for both to be using safe sex practices.