Frisky Q&A: Tucker Max Talks “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell,” Feminism, Sex, And Why He Loves Women
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11:00AM, Thursday October 1st 2009
Love him or hate him, Tucker Max is in your face. The author of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, a debauched chronicling of his booze-fueled sexual hijinks which has spent the last four years on the The New York Times bestseller list and most recently been turned into a feature film, Max is the king of “fratire” and the enemy of feminist bloggers everywhere. His crude erotic tales through subterranean America are populated by midgets and strippers; generally, women do not fare well in the face of his f**k-‘em-and-dump-‘em M.O. Protesters have boycotted his movie and accused him of promoting “rape culture.” Good or bad, Tucker seems to relish the attention. In Tucker-esque fashion, one young woman bragged: “I Slept With Tucker Max, the Internet’s Biggest Asshat.” So, is Tucker Max for real? Or is he a savvy marketer plugged into what 21st century men really want? We talked to Max about his movie, his sex life, and his detractors. The recently released “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” isn’t faring well at the box office. That didn’t make him any less cocky.
Using the word “rape” in association with me is so intellectually dishonest it is shameful.
The Frisky: How was the tour?
Tucker Max: The tour went amazingly well. I mean, I knew the movie was awesome, and I knew people would love it, and people are loving it. But the tour is kind of independent of the movie, and I wasn’t sure how well we’d pull everything off. Well, we are nailing it. I mean, just look at the results. We have produced a hilarious written recap and video recap of every stop, complete with fan reactions and everything. Do you think that is easy? It is most undeniably not. Yet, every day we produce a top-notch show for the people at the premiere, and then out of that create top notch ancillary material for people on the internet to watch and send to their friends.
The Frisky: What do you think of the protests?
TM: I am of two minds about them. On one hand, I love the attention. Not only am I a narcissist and like the attention, but how else is my movie going to be on the front page of FoxNews.com? On the other hand, as to the substance of the protests, I think they are not only ridiculous, they are offensive to women and borderline libelous. Their basic point is that women are not responsible or intelligent enough to decide what art they want to consume and must be protected. Really? I thought the point of feminism was to give women choice, not tell them what they had to like. And beyond that, even using the word “rape” in association with me is so intellectually dishonest it is shameful.
The Frisky: Gawker deemed you a “ham-fisted frat s***.” The feminist bloggers hate you. You’ve been called a “professional sexist,” “anti-feminist,” and a “promoter of rape culture.” The New York Times labeled your prose “fratire.”
TM: Hold on now. The New York Times was not insulting me when they called my writing “fratire.” In fact, they said I invented a new literary genre, one that defines a whole new generation of writers and readers. How is that an insult?
The haters are a different matter all together. They have many different agendas. The radical protesters are all about promoting their bulls**t agenda on my back, flailing away and trying to prevent their inevitable cultural irrelevance. Gawker and those haters are a bit different. They are the writers who never really made it as real writers—the creative underclass as they call themselves—and they are profoundly jealous of me and my success, especially since, to them, I represent the same dudes who used to kick their ass and mock them in high school and college. The arts used to be their sanctuary, and now here I am succeeding wildly. Because they are envious and insecure, they perceive it as reflecting their failure back on themselves. Look at the anger and vitriol they attack me with. That is less about me, and more a reflection of how they feel about themselves.
The Frisky: Are you a “misogynist”?
TM: Complete bulls**t. A misogynist is someone who hates women. I love women. Everything I do is to impress women. Without women, I wouldn’t get out of bed in the morning. Plus, half my fans are women. The people who call me misogynist are the ones who haven’t read or engaged my writing, and are just looking for a bogeyman to attack.
The Frisky: In your stories, women throw themselves at you. How many women have you slept with, and what advice do you give men on women?
TM: I have no idea how many women I’ve slept with. Probably more than 300, probably less than 600? I don’t keep count, because that would be super creepy.
Some women absolutely do throw themselves at me. I think part of it is that there are always some women that are into rich, famous, and powerful men. Then there is the artist aspect. Half my fans are women, and they are fans because they love my writing. There is the masculine thing; I am one of the few people in media who is unapologetically masculine, and that’s very attractive to some women.
The advice I give my male fans on women is simple: Be honest, be engaging, and be yourself. These are three things that most guys lack. I don’t, and it works great for me.
The Frisky: Do you think of yourself as someone who says what guys think but don’t say? For example: “Fat girls aren’t real people.”
TM: That quote is so taken out of context, it’s embarrassing—to the people who use it. Go watch the movie. When Tucker says that, he’s clearly kidding. That’s the joke, that the statement is so preposterous, not that it’s serious. Beyond that, he then engages a fat girl and talks to her like a real person. The people who quote that line back to me are always people who either haven’t seen the movie or who are being intentionally obtuse.
The Frisky: What do women not understand about men?
TM: Oh, man. So many things. Let’s see. We aren’t as emotionally mature as you are most of the time, especially at the same age. We don’t overthink things the way you do. Some men will lie or say anything to get ass, so be careful. Don’t blame all men for the actions of one or two. And the biggest thing is: If you want a relationship, make sure you are someone who someone else would want to date. So many girls make their “list” of things they want in a guy, then never actually wonder if they are the type of person that guy would want. It goes both ways.
The Frisky: Why did you post a video X-ray of a woman giving you a blowjob?
TM: Ah, yes, the sex-ray. It was so awesome. It was like a porn movie almost, except I invented a new genre of porn: skeleton porn.
Seriously, have you ever seen fellatio on an x-ray video? It’s funny, I was hosting “Loveline” with Dr. Drew last week and showed him the video, and even he was shocked, which is not an easy thing to do. He said it was very dangerous, and I increased my chances of testicular and penile cancer. “So skeleton porn isn’t going to catch on?” I asked. “No.”
The Frisky: You have a lot of weird sex.
TM: Why did Edmund Hillary climb Everest? Because it was there. Why did I f**k a midget? Because she was down there. Novelty, and the ability to say, “I did that.”
The Frisky: How many times is the f-word in your movie?
TM: S**t. I have no idea. Good question.
The Frisky: Do you expect “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” will become a blockbuster hit?
TM: Yes. Because it is an awesome and groundbreaking movie, and great art always finds its way. It may not hit at the theater, but it will hit on DVD, and hit big.
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C.Munro
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:07 am: [report]
He makes a lot of good points, and I strongly suspect he’s not as much of an asshat as he makes him out to be.
I’ll admit it: I hated guys like him in high school. Sheer, white-hot loathing. But I own his book, and I like it. He has a finely developed sense of the absurd, like so many of my other favorite comic figures.
bethlynn00
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:13 am: [report]
I had never heard of this guy until this article, but I think I saw a preview of that movie, but somebody in the theatre was like it was just a rip-off of “The Hangover”, has the movie come out yet even? Is it creepy now to keep track of how many sexual partners you’ve had? Hmmm, guess I didn’t know that.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:24 am: [report]
Bleh I dislike Tucker Maxx and the useless hordes that follow in his wake. He may actually be a diagnosed narcissist but promoting it as a lifestyle or something admirable is pathetic. He continues to promote the cliche that women want an #&@$% (it’s masculine to be an #&@$%?) Now because we’ve posted this I have no doubt his rapid followers will be here shortly. They’ve bombarded every other site I’ve seen that has dared to not fawn over their hero.
CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:29 am: [report]
He went to Duke Law School. He’s not dumb. So before you flip a s*it, read his stuff, because it’s funny.
Ami Angelowicz
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:34 am: [report]
Still a douche.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:39 am: [report]
Narcissists rarely are dumb (if thats what he really is and its not just an excuse)but like Ami said they’re still douches.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:52 am: [report]
Good interview.
On an aside, he was here in Louisville last night signing books at our Bourbon St. knockoff.
I like his stories for the sheer absurdity of it all, they are entertaining and unapologetic.
I also agree with C.Munro, I think it is mostly an online/book persona; a la Maddox. Anyone that takes the stories as literal advice or a roadmap for life are taking a positive step towards removing themselves from the gene pool, I’m ok with that.
C.Munro
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:53 am: [report]
Crap, meant to say “makes himself out to be” up there.
And while I certainly wouldn’t introduce him to my sister (if I had one), do you really think he is any worse than, say, Chelsea Handler?
slip
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:59 am: [report]
Hyperbole isn’t anything new. Voltaire used it to write about politics. William Burroughs used it to write about everything. Max uses it to write about straight sex. All three had an audience that had deluded itself into thinking that they had the right not to be offended.
Nothing to see here, folks. Certainly nothing to get upset about.
Slip
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:01 am: [report]
I don’t know anything about Chelsea Handler. Vaguely have an idea that she has some kind of late night show and is a blonde but beyond that *shrug* I just can’t get behind a guy who thinks “The best thing about fat girls is heart disease” is funny and allows and approves of his fans posting rape jokes on his site.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:02 am: [report]
@C. Munro I’m not saying you’re wrong about Chelsea Handler by the way just that I don’t know enough about her to have an opinion on your question. She might be just as horrible. I don’t know.
C.Munro
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:08 am: [report]
I don’t know that “horrible” is a word I’d use in this context. Chelsea Handler wrote a book called My Horizontal Life about her sleeping with a bunch of men, and for the record, it is one of my favorite books. No, it’s not exactly a feminine equivalent of Beer in Hell, but people who like one would probably enjoy the other.
The question I’m really asking, for those of you who like Handler’s work but not Max’s, is has our cultural double standard flipped genders now? Are women who sleep with a bunch of men and brag about it now seen as empowered and justified in their actions while men who do so are caddish neanderthals?
Frederica Bimble
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:15 am: [report]
There’s that phrase “overthink” again. It is not possible to “overthink” anything. One either thinks or they don’t think. I’m sure Albert Einstein would be delighted to find out he was an “overthinker.”
I’m also sure this guy isn’t as silly as some people would like to believe - I wouldn’t know, I’m in the UK but I do know that those who use the word “overthink” in reference to women and it is ALWAYS in reference to women are “underthinkers” themselves.
So, what do these types of men call women, like me, who are Biological Scientists - gee, that requires a hell of a lot of thinking - and keep their minds “empty” of superfluous nonsense and save their energy for humour, light heartedness and interesting facts about life? Those who are extremely intelligent yet stay single because Goooooolllly, you wouldn’t want a woman to “think” now, would you? Oh, I forgot! Women “overthink.” Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha….Also, by the way, I’m told I’m pretty “hot” too and to arrive at that assessment, curiously, didn’t require much thinking at all..
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:20 am: [report]
That’s a good question and one I’ll freely answer with the caveat that I’ve never read Handler’s work and have only read pieces of Tucker Maxx’s. Speaking abstractly without these examples I can honestly say that a person’s number of sexual partners does not make a difference to me. For me personally I only enjoy sex with someone I have feelings for, otherwise I’d rather skip the hassle and take care of my own needs but I totally understand people of both genders who enjoy more casual sexual encounters. The problem for me is when either gender begins devaluing their sexual partners. A woman who sees men as stupid neanderthals or walking wallets is just as bad to me as someone like Tucker Maxx saying women are hardwired to be whores. So I would say the action of having sex and the number of sexual partners is not the focus. If you are sexist or dismissive of the other gender or treat them as beneath you then I’m going to judge you.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:23 am: [report]
@Fredrica - We get it, you don’t like the phrase “overthink”. Posting and re-posting isn’t converting anyone.
BedRocka
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:31 am: [report]
Aye TM miscalculated his advice to guys about women his quote ...TM: The advice I give my male fans on women is simple: Be honest, be engaging, and be yourself. These are three things that most guys lack. I don’t, and it works great for me.
It’s actually 4 things the forth is Hope Daddy has a crap Load of $$$$$$$ coz thats what glues the 3 things together! so in a nut shell ...
“be honest, be engaging, be yourself and have an obese wallet and bank account!”
C.Munro
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:39 am: [report]
@bumbler: I admire your sense of balance here, and I agree in part. That’s why I don’t treat my own partners that way. But I also think that some people make themselves targets for that kind of treatment through their attitudes and actions. The women sleeping with Max all know who he is and what he’s all about. It’s not like they wake up in the morning and then realize he’s a jerk.
slip
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:58 am: [report]
@Riley, Fred’s overthinking it.
Slip
tabby
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:13 pm: [report]
@C.Munro, I think you make an excellent point. If you go to bed with a jerk, the jerk is still going to be there in the morning.
As for Chelsea’s book, I think her book was more about creating a funny way to deal with her many “issues” such as substance abuse instead of writing a straightforward memoir like most people do. I think Chelsea’s book and Tucker’s books are in different genres, although I can see how certain people would be offended by either of them or love both of them.
My real question is, Why is this guy relevant?
jld117
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:21 pm: [report]
Why is this guy relevant, AND how does he get women to sleep with him? He’s not even cute!
slip
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:40 pm: [report]
@tabby, he’s relevant because he’s in the right place at the right time in the right media. Just like all those reality TV asshats. That’s all.
@jld117, being cute has nothing to do with it. He’s got game.
Slip
Sexie Sadie
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:42 pm: [report]
I love Tucker Max, personally. He’s honest, intelligent and funny as hell. These are three qualities I admire in my men. Yes, he can obviously be an absolute jerk, but the fact is that he is the first to admit this.
The feminists surely have their collective granny panties in a wad over him, which I understand because they are, unfortunately, a fairly close-minded lot.
Free speech, people. Love him or hate him and decide for yourself but leave the motive analysis to things that really matter - like what to have for breakfast, or whether to choose whitening or tartar control or the kind with little “breath beads” ...
xo~Sadie
C.Munro
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:52 pm: [report]
@tabby: I agree, Horizontal Life and Beer in Hell aren’t exactly the same thing. They have very different tones to them. But they do share some common themes (toilet humor, lots of boozing and relatively anonymous sexual encounters). I’m one of those who likes both books, personally.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 12:52 pm: [report]
Case in point: feminists, granny panties and close-minded.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:03 pm: [report]
I do think the women who sleep with Tucker Maxx knowing what and who he is are not to be pitied. I would wager that many of them are doing so to make it into the next book or maybe become a blurb on his blog which is opportunistic to say the least. My problem is that he doesn’t judge some women or a type of woman but all women with his generalized statements. He doesn’t say that he meets some women who are sluts and whores (although what that makes him with his slut-shaming is a good question) but he says things like all women are hardwired to be whores.
Sexie Sadie
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:12 pm: [report]
@bumbler- interesting that you are lumping the women who sleep with Tucker into the decidedly unfavorable category of opportunists. Isn’t that EXACTLY what you are arguing against him doing, marginalizing women?
Hypocritical much?
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:18 pm: [report]
“I would wager that many”
Not all. How am I marginalizing all women by separating out people who participate in an action? Hey hey thats the feminism you hate so much, judging people based on their actions not on arbitrary things like their gender. Feminism does not mean believing that all women are above reproach (see the article on female bank robbers).
Reading comprehension much?
Sexie Sadie
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:29 pm: [report]
Well, I think you mean “Lack of reading comprehension”
And yes, that is an aspect of feminism I don’t care for. I was just making the point that you were casting a judgment based on your own assumptions. How is that productive? How is judging a man based on some snippets of his book productive? What is it you really hate about Tucker? I have a feeling it has nothing to do with feminist issues. I would wager that it has more to do with your own insecurities or missed opportunities than anything else.
But, of course, that’s only an assumption.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:36 pm: [report]
@Bumbler - Why do you marginalize the paper? Does it make writing easier? Yes, I do much reading comprehension.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:48 pm: [report]
So you don’t like feminism because it’s basis is judging people on who they are instead of a genetic crap shoot? Okay, not something I understand in the slightest.
I judge Tucker Maxx based on the personality he puts forth in the world and his actions. The same way I judge murderers, rapists, thieves, liars, overly-dramatic people, selfish people. I do not judge people based on race, gender, ethnicity, appearance etc. I suppose you’re eventually making the point that we shouldn’t judge people (although you just did so with feminists) but welcome to society. Everyone judges everyone else, its a biological imperative for a species that is evolutionarily inclined to live in a society. Tucker Maxx is happy to judge me as a woman, at least I’m giving him a fair shake and basing my judgment on his actions and words.
I also question the motivations of women who would gladly sleep with a man who labels them “sluts and whores” and continuously makes it clear he sees them as less than his exalted self. I’ve also seen the article written y one woman who slept with him and described the sex as Maxx climbing on top, jackhammering away until he was finished and then rolling off. Not surprising that given how he openly treats and speaks about women he would care very little about their pleasure.
Also some quick advice, the “oh you’re just jealous” argument went out in the second grade. Nice try though.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 01:50 pm: [report]
@ Riley The paper deserves marginalizing. If it wanted to be respected it wouldn’t have been born a slutty piece of paper.
Kati-Anne
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:03 pm: [report]
Ugh, I don’t know why I let myself read this interview. He is clearly pretending not to know what ‘rape culture’ is and most definitely has a different definition than I do of masculinity. Masculine men turn me on, Tucker Maxx does not fall under what I consider to be masculine.
BedRocka
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:19 pm: [report]
fight fight fight!!
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:27 pm: [report]
@Bumbler - I’m so tired of this papyrus subordinating culture. Paperism isn’t just a bunch of old pulp-pushers, we deserve respect!
Sexie Sadie
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:38 pm: [report]
@bumbler - I never said I didn’t like feminism. I was expressing an aversion regarding “one aspect” of it. Yet another illustration that you hear (or read) what you want to and make sweeping judgments based on your assumptions.
And thank you for your indignant comment that you attempted to disguise as advice. However, the ‘“just jealous” argument has never gone “out”, has it? I mean, unless you are inferring that jealousy is an emotion that one doesn’t experience after age 7?
I’m done, here, honey. Have fun questioning your fellow gender’s motives and lambasting men who have written books you have never read but don’t approve of. Sounds like a great activity for a Thursday afternoon.
~Sadie
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:42 pm: [report]
I should have known “I’m taking my ball and going home” would follow “You’re just jealous of Tucker.”
@Riley I should have known you’d get your reams in a knot over this.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:44 pm: [report]
Also for the record to anyone interested: the basis of feminism is the idea that men and women should be treated equally and judgments should not be based on gender. You can’t be opposed to the sole core tenant of a belief (read: one aspect) and still like it. Does. Not. Compute.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:49 pm: [report]
@Bumbler - That cuts down to the cellulose. I don’t need this, I’m going to go bleach my card stock.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 02:52 pm: [report]
You’re just jealous because vellum is longer-lasting and has a more fulfilling life.
Shriekback68
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 03:14 pm: [report]
I have no idea who this guy is, but from this short interview I can surmise the following:
1) He’s very intelligent and excellent at self-promotion
2) He’s an emotional cripple who’ll die lonely
3) He’s never been in love
That being said, I see this guy as I see most media-whores: unworthy of my time or attention. I will never read his book, just as I will never watch an idiotic “reality” TV show. The public stokes this guy’s fire, and he feeds off of negative attention.
Someone referenced Voltaire above. I will reference him again:
“A nation produces what it honors.” We honor celebrity. In return, we get guys like Tucker Max.
Arsenic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 03:35 pm: [report]
Honestly, I love tucker max.
He’s an idiot and an unapologetic #&@$%, but he’s funny as hell. His writing is well done and engaging and his plots are fascinating and hilarious for the sheer absurdity of it all. I wouldn’t date him, but I still like reading his stories.
I’ll say it:
I’m a feminist and I like tucker max.
... so there.
Olivia Allin
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 04:00 pm: [report]
@C.Munro The books also share a common theme of sleeping with little people!
I saw the movie because my brother, who went to school with Tucker, is a fan. And I just don’t see what’s provocative about it him. The movie wasn’t particularly interesting or funny and the worst part was all the teenage boys confessing their admiration for him afterward. That’s what worries me, that he’s become a role model.
And in the scene where he says “fat girls aren’t real people” he doesn’t really talk to her, he makes fun of her relentlessly while she tries to fight back and then gives up. It wasn’t comical, it was sad. For both of them.
Shriekback68
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 04:20 pm: [report]
Anyone who “admires” this guy is sad. It’s like aspiring to be in a car accident someday.
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:03 pm: [report]
@bumbler if you has read more of his material whether it be on his site or book then you would know that he doesn’t just make snap judgements of all women that you claim, “Tucker Maxx is happy to judge me as a woman.” He bases his judgement after talking to them. If the woman OR MAN he is talking to is an idiot, whore, etc. then he will call him out on it and treat them as such. Read some of his recaps of the tour on the IHTSBIH website. Also, he has said that he treats people the way they let him, so if you let him treat you that way he will. Also, as to the “at least I’m giving him a fair shake and basing my judgment on his actions and words.” comment that is complete bs you have only heard/read what you want to and have not read enough of his material to make that statement.
And to “He continues to promote the cliche that women want an #&@$%” let me just say if it wasn’t true it wouldn’t work but inexplicably it does. I am not a woman so I don’t have any idea why it does but as a guy I have tried both the nice guy and a-hole approach and I’ll say the nice guy stuff gets you a seat in the friend zone but the other gets you a girlfriend/laid. I realize this isn’t true with every woman but A LOT of them.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:20 pm: [report]
Then why does he say “Every woman has her price.” and “Your gender is hardwired for whoredom.”? How is that not judging me as a woman?
Also I have not read every tome by Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Glen Beck and even Hitler yet I know that I’ve seen enough of their personalities and actions to judge them.
Maybe you’re hitting on the wrong type of girl because MOST of the women I know do not want anything to do with a bad boy. We’re too busy with our own lives to try and reform an #&@$%.
LaRosa
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:24 pm: [report]
I don’t care, I hate this guy on principle.
LaRosa
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:33 pm: [report]
You know what… that deserves and explination. I don’t like this guy because he is rude and crass… sure it’s a joke, but jokes like that should be kept between people who know each other well.
Crass for crass’s sake is dumb and tasteless.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:48 pm: [report]
Also check out in his own words http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Videotaping a girl without her consent. Not even a hidden camera but a friend with the camera hiding in the closet.
I know he has about a paragraph of an apology in the whole page which is what the some of you will quote back at me but lets look at the entire tone of the piece and see if he thinks this was more funny or a tragic invasion of a young woman’s privacy.
Jitterbugs232
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 05:58 pm: [report]
He is a walking STD
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:19 pm: [report]
@bumbler Why does he say “Every woman has her price.” You ask? Because they do. Plain and simple, if you chose not to believe this then that is your own ignorance, the fact of the matter is everyone has a price man or woman. Some might have a higher price than others but there is one.
“Your gender is hardwired for whoredom.”? That was said by his friend “SlingBlade” which if you understood the person that is portrayed by Maxx, then you would know that he in fact does have a rather generalizing disdain for the opposite sex due to his high school sweetheart cheating on his when they were at different colleges. So to put that on him just because you read it somewhere put up by they same ignorant “feminists” that take a bunch of out of context JOKES, that if put back into context are actually pretty funny probably offensive but funny, and then call him a rapist or “rape culture” because they take out lines from his book once again usually said by his friend “SlingBlade”.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:27 pm: [report]
Okay so no rational conversation is possible. You can’t understand why this is offensive because you actually believe his sexist #&@$% is true. I can obviously sit here and say I would never sleep with someone for money but you’ll immediately dismiss me as ignorant or naive. So why does he single out women and not say “Everyone has their price”?
No matter which character said this (and as the author he’s completely in charge of what his characters say) it is incredibly sexist. Your argument that he is now sexist because one woman out of the billions on the planet did him wrong is useless. This is about as funny as an “all black people are criminals” joke. Which is to say not at all.
Funny is in the eye of the beholder. I get his jokes. They’re certainly not above anyone on with a 5th grade education. He’s just not funny.
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:33 pm: [report]
That is true there he did go over the line however the story minus the videotaping is hilarious.
But also I personally find it funny how hypocritical many of your statements are. If he judges you based off of a generalization without knowing you he is in the wrong, but you can judge him based off of generalizations written about him( most out of context) without knowing him and you are right to do so? I know as people we pass judgement it is in our nature but please explain how when you do it about him its okay but then turn around and villainize him for the same thing. It makes no sense to me.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:45 pm: [report]
Because I am judging one person based on his words and actions. His stories, his articles, his interviews. He is judging me based on my gender as if every woman in the world were exactly the same.
I’m judging him just as I’m allowed to not like one black person if that person has made statements that I find horrifying but if I hate all black people based solely on their race then I’m a racist, stereotyping idiot.
I judge Roman Polanski based on his actions (much more severe case but the videotaping incident is still pretty horrifying). I’ve never met the man but I know enough of his actions to know I’ll never want to meet him.
I judge Ann Coulter based on her repeated instances of hate speech and the fact that I find her ideals and values contrary to everything I admire. I’ve never met the woman but she puts herself out as a public figure and presents an image of how she wants to be seen to the world.
Tucker Max has carefully crafted a public persona which is how he presents himself to the world. He has made statements, been interviewed, written a book, made a movie and kept a blog all for the purpose of getting his ideas out to the world. I’m judging him based on this just as anyone who reads this blog is free to judge me based on my words here. But judge me based on my words, my actions, how I live my life, the values I hold and the ideals I repudiate. Don’t judge me on something as arbitrary and useless as gender, age, race, ethnicity, appearance, weight, height, eye color etc.
I don’t know why this is such a difficult concept for people.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:52 pm: [report]
One time I open-mouth kissed a horse. That is something you don’t know.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:55 pm: [report]
I know that, Riley. The horse told me he’s had better.
Riley
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 06:57 pm: [report]
I have the gifted mouth Bumbler, you should know that by now.
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:03 pm: [report]
No matter which character said this (and as the author he’s completely in charge of what his characters say) it is incredibly sexist.
Ok first off, he is not just a character in a book, he is his real life friend from Duke Law. That would be like calling Morrie a character that Albom is in charge of everything said by him. He’s not they both recount actual events and Maxx uses remarks like that to emphasize how messed up his friend is. Also I am not defending “SlingBlade” and his comments Most of which are hillarious.
example
SlingBlade: “I can only assume from your cavalier attitude that you have yet to partake of the wonderment that is the McGriddle. Let me enlighten you. What happens is the One True God grows them on trees in the Elysian Fields using a heretofore unused incantation. He then proceeds to magic them to your local eater where whatever ghetto Bastard cook your McDonalds has rescued from welfare that week proceeds to wrap it in cellophane and pass it along to you, the fortunate consumer. You proceed to ingest this finery in the vain hope that your obviously overmatched taste buds can somehow grasp the delectable intricacies it is suddenly faced with. Is that egg? Why yes it is, and bacon too. But wait—they didn’t add ... yes the did, yes they did indeed. They added cheese. And then, then my friends, they wrapped it in a sumtuous pancake bun! As your taste buds try to process that amazing piece of information, IT hits them…the syrup nugget. THE MOTHERF**KING SYRUP NUGGET! It announces itself with a burst of confectionary grandiosity the likes of which your palate has never seen.”
Tucker: “So you like them?”
SlingBlade: “If you EVER speak ill of the McGriddle again I will personally forcefeed you one while I f**k you in the butt using the wrapper as a condom and then donkey punch you when the infused syrup nuggets explode in your mouth.”
THAT IS FUNNY
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:07 pm: [report]
If you say so. Sounds like a typical drunk/high college conversation to me.
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:09 pm: [report]
Taken directly from the TuckerMaxx.com blog
jalanced
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:12 pm: [report]
you say drunken rambling but I say awesomely funny and too intelligent to drunken/high school rambling.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:26 pm: [report]
Alright, I don’t think it’s all that funny. As I said I’ve heard similar speeches throughout my college career. You do, that fine. Difference of opinion. I just don’t see how “but he’s funny” excuses him from all my other points.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 07:34 pm: [report]
Also I have a question for you, are you active on any Tucker Max fanpages etc? I want to know because I have a question about the majority of the fans and I’m not a part of the community so I couldn’t answer it. If a woman had written a book about her and her friends ripping off a bunch of men for their money, talking about how stupid men are and how easily they can be tricked into buying things for women and giving them money, seducing the men into buying them dinner and then kicking them out into the cold without clothes and no sex etc. do you think the male Tucker Max fans would find that ok or funny? Or do you think they’d respond with “typical whores and sluts”?
Arsenic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 08:05 pm: [report]
@bumbler Well, seeing as I am a tucker max fan, and I think that would be hilarious- yes. Look I’m not going to defend the guy as a good person, but I don’t think making sweeping generalizations about him or his fans is a good idea either. Yes, he’s an #&@$%. Yes, there are a lot of people out there that just don’t get it. But that doesn’t mean his work doesn’t have merit.
Arsenic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 08:08 pm: [report]
(contd from above)
I mean, look at Freud for example- he was a hypocritical insane bastard but he still fathered modern thinking on mental disease.
tishfish44
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 08:16 pm: [report]
@arsenic - Ditto to your first comment. I am an unabashed feminist and I LOVE the book “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell.” Frankly, his (brutal) honestly matches well with my personal brand of feminism and my dislike of all things passive.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 08:18 pm: [report]
@Arsenic I don’t see where I’ve made one sweeping generalization. I think it’s a fair question whether or not his male readers would welcome being the butt of the joke for once.
And please don’t tell me I don’t “get it.” It’s not Chaucer, I get it. I just don’t appreciate it or find it funny.
Arsenic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 09:04 pm: [report]
@bumbler
). I’m also sorry if I misunderstood the tone of your post- it seemed to me that you were implying with your previous comment that anyone who likes tucker max is as bad as the aforementioned idiots?
I’m sorry if my comment of how some people don’t “get it” sounded like it was aimed at you- I was referring to the idiots who want to be “just like tucker” and think that involves being misogynistic rapists (I think we can both agree on their intelligence
In any case, my point still stands - there are many people that upon hearing “a simple proposal” would recoil in shock and condemn the piece (or even think its a great idea and grab the tartar sauce), but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t still valid. I’m not debating your right to dislike his work - in the end it is just a comedy piece and if you don’t like it, that’s fine. I’m just asking you not to write it (and him) off as misogynistic drivel.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 09:25 pm: [report]
I got you now. Yes I do think that anyone that attempts to emulate him is sad. I respect your right to like his work, parts of it may in fact be funny. I just am offended by a lot of his attempts at humor and I am frightened by how many young men seem to be taking his life as gospel. Basically I’m never going to like his work or approve of him as a human being.
canadiancutie
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:07 pm: [report]
Wow, he reminds me of every single boy I have dated this year.
Definitely retiring the blonde prettyboy, idiot fratboy types in 2010.
retro chic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:18 pm: [report]
Anytime someone of that ilk exclaims their love for women as a defense, is not convincing, and I run the other way. That answer on the MMPI (test)... would be a FAIL.
bumbler
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 10:24 pm: [report]
@retro chic He also used the “I have a lot of fat fans” when questioned about comments like “fat girls aren’t real people” and “the best thing about fat girls is heart disease.”
Reminds me of every statement beginning with “some of my best friends are black/gay/disabled”
retro chic
wrote on October 1 2009 @ 11:22 pm: [report]
@Bumbler: //Reminds me of every statement beginning with “some of my best friends are black/gay/disabled”// Yes! Exactly. That was mulling around too, but I lost track with all the shiny new formatting features, haha.
Shriekback68
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 01:03 am: [report]
@jalanced: your sense of humor is in your ass, friend.
secretstevie
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 01:57 am: [report]
i’m a feminist and i still think this guy made some good points and made me laugh to boot.
that being said, i never heard of him before this article so i’m not exactly making an educated judgment about him but still i have to ask the question - is EVERYTHING about feminism? i’ve said it once, i’ll say it again: feminists are not some singular minded collective whole. we dont all have to have the same opinions. hell, we don’t even have to all ask the same questions. so any time any idiot comes along to make a buck saying stupid #&@$%, we really don’t all need to have a collective feminist reaction… there’s no need to scramble to decide whether or not we all agree or disagree with said idiot.
i, for one, will not be turning in to a submissive bumbling girls-gone-wild candidate just because this guy treats other (probably fictional) women that way. i think i’m going to be just fine.
secretstevie
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 01:59 am: [report]
haha i didn’t know the comment wall would sensor the word #&@$%. do people really find arbitrary four letter words offensive? not that i want to start a debate about that either but still
SamL
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 05:09 am: [report]
Need a label? Closet homo-phobe!
This guy would feel really uncomfortable if it was a gay show, talking about him in the way he talks about women.
But then again, he might like it!
is416hp
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 06:57 am: [report]
Wow, are people still falling for this? His book, while entertaining, is pure fiction. Max was thoroughly and utterly outed as a fraud over two years ago on the Opie and Anthony radio program and I assumed he slithered away to well-deserved obscurity. I guess it’s gonna take stronger bleach to kill this mildew..
Arsenic
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:21 am: [report]
@is416hp
I’ve watched/heard the opie and anthony bit. All I see are a bunch of people upset that he doesn’t still have the tape of the buttsex story. Seeing as I have some strange stories myself that people have refused to believe, that’s really not enough to make me think he’s lying. Even if it was, I daresay it wouldn’t matter- the stories are still entertaining in their own right.
qnzmami718
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:31 am: [report]
i love tucker max! hes an @#$@#^#$ and i’d never date him or sleep with him.. but his s**t is freakin hillarious! i read his book and loved it! and actually it was recommended to me by a girl friend who loved it too!!
PinkRanger
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:33 am: [report]
I just want to comment that critiquing culture is important and necessary to society’s growth as a whole, whether you like tucker max or not. I just wanted to say that to all the comments that can basically be summed up with “why do you care? get over it! He’s funny, so what?”
I’m not sure the question is whether or not he’s funny or whether or not we take him seriously, it’s are his stories a proper survey of the American man’s fantasies or even motivations are? And why has masculinity become reliant on “game” and what does that phrase really mean anyway? Is it really how he portrays it, basically faking your way through conversation just to snag a prize at the end of the night and carve another notch in your bedpost?
I have read a great deal of tucker max’s work online in light of the controversy, and in all honesty, I just think he’s full of #&@$%. Way too proud of himself, and that outshines the humor in my opinion. I’m not so much offended by him, as I just don’t believe a word he says. It’s kind of like the equivalent of locker room stories that you know may stem from truth, but have been embellished in order to make the speaker sound like more of “man”. I also don’t think he understands what “rape culture” means. But that’s a whole other post…....
In conclusion, I’m just insulted by his portrayal of masculinity. A bit outdated.
SamL
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:40 am: [report]
@PinkRanger You speak (write) a lot of sense!
BeASimpleMan
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:42 am: [report]
@ SamL…there is a whole chapter in the book about him going to gay bars and being on the other end of it.
SamL
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 08:45 am: [report]
@BeASimpleMan Chapter? I want to see the show. No, better still, the movie…
C.Munro
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:08 am: [report]
@PinkRanger:
I don’t think there could ever be any such thing as a proper survey of the American man’s fantasies and motivations, but if there were, no, Max’s work would not be it. That’s not to say there aren’t any men who view things the way he describes them, but no one point of view can ever be representative of an entire gender. It would be like saying, “All women want *blank.*”
The “is he funny” question is far more relevant, because most people read his stuff for entertainment, not as an affirmation of their own deeply held beliefs on sexual relationships between men and women.
He really just represents a contemporary, over-the-top take on the classic rake character that has been with us for ages, from the Vicomte de Valmont to Sam Malone.
PinkRanger
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:17 am: [report]
@c. munro: obviously I don’t think you can make blanket statements about any group of people, I was more trying to stimulate the discussion to go in a different direction. I think you can find something funny, but still believe that it is a poor influence, inappropriate, misguided, etc. I don’t feel whether or not he is funny to be relevant to the controversy and discussions surrounding him. I don’t believe in censorship, but I strongly believe in debate, which unfortunately with the guise of the internet, has had to take a back seat in place of marginalization of differing opinions and said blanket-stereotypes. I was just intending to open up the discussion on that front.
C.Munro
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:25 am: [report]
@PinkRanger: Fair enough. But really, I don’t think many people, on this site at least, are going to come along and say that they want the kind of lifestyle Max describes. Several of the comments already here can be summed up as, “I think it’s funny, but to take it as a real advice would be inappropriate and misguided.”
Frankly, the kind of people who are influenced by his writing are the same people who would be influenced by some guy in the locker room saying essentially the same thing, and they’d hold those attitudes regardless of whether Max had ever written his book.
PinkRanger
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:32 am: [report]
@C. munro: but perpetuating these narrow “norms” of masculinity should still be critiqued, saying “well theres nothing I can do to change it” is counterproductive. I’m saying, I’m not going to change it, but I’m still going to examine his success, and what his cultural influences, and influences similar to his *ie, that guy in the locker room* may be and that tells me about the direction of society.
majicksand
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:41 am: [report]
He found a gimmick, and it’s working. He rolled the dice and bet that if he portrayed the absolute base nature of men people would respond. All men have errant predjudicial thoughts about women. All women have them about men too. Mosy of us temper those thoughts with reason, so they don’t evolve into words or actions.
Tucker Maxx was prepared to show his base nature to the world sans reason filter on the chance the persona would create controversy and make him money. He’s laughing all the way to the bank. Most likely it’s the same bank Pamela Anderson uses to store all the money she’s made playing the stupid bimbo role. Neither of them is stupid. They just found a gimmick the public would eat up.
Who said “I don’t care if they love me or hate me as long as they know my name”? Or, “there’s no such thing as bad publicity”? Like it or not, Tucker Maxx is looking at every single one of us who spends time debating his value saying, “gotcha!”, and he’s right. Think about it.
bumbler
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 10:42 am: [report]
Ok here’s one thing I don’t get. The majority of people on here regardless of whether or not they’re Tucker Max fans, feel that anyone who attempts to live their life in the style of this man are sad/pathetic/misogynistic/misguided/of low intelligence/adjective of choice. Tucker Max is presenting IHTSBIH as an autobiography (I don’t know whether or not the stories were true, there were plenty of similar urban legends going around when I was in high school and college but for his part he is presenting the book as a slice of his lifestyle). Do we excuse him from the same judgment we place on those who would emulate him because he is the original? Because he wrote a funny book about it? I don’t understand it.
freepeople1986
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 11:21 am: [report]
People are going to love him, and people are going to hate him. No sense in arguing your reasoning; agree to disagree and shut the hell up.
However, he brings up an EXCELLENT point when he says “If you want a relationship, make sure you are someone who someone else would want to date. So many girls make their “list” of things they want in a guy, then never actually wonder if they are the type of person that guy would want. It goes both ways.” Very, very true.
Throw out those lists ladies, they’re only holding you back.
NomChompsky
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 12:36 pm: [report]
“And why has masculinity become reliant on “game” and what does that phrase really mean anyway? Is it really how he portrays it, basically faking your way through conversation just to snag a prize at the end of the night and carve another notch in your bedpost?”
Game, most simply put, is conduct without which your desired ends wouldn’t be achievable. Telesis, if you might. While I think it’s a misleading term, if you view it through that simple lens, it really isn’t any different from what anybody does: walking a girl to her car is game. Giving her a sincere compliment is game. Respecting her boundaries is game.
I also don’t think he understands what “rape culture” means. But that’s a whole other post…....
I’m sure he does. He’s a lot of things, but dumb isn’t one of them. At all. I personally reject the term as needlessly baggy and so ill-defined as to be harmful. I imagine his views are similar to my own.
In conclusion, I’m just insulted by his portrayal of masculinity. A bit outdated.
I’m not one of those evpsych guys, so I’m not even going to get into the whole Robin Baker thing. I don’t think he’s trying to say that “masculinity has to be a certain way”, but moreso that, “I am me. I am man, accordingly I act in a certain way. I demand respect and equal footing, and I don’t think I’ve gotten it.”
I don’t think that opening line would sell many books, though.
C.Munro
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 12:40 pm: [report]
@PinkRanger: I’d say narrow-minded norms should always be challenged, regardless of to whom they are applied. And Max’s idea of a masculine norm is only one of several. Being entertained by what he says doesn’t mean a one subscribes to that norm.
@bumbler: I’m not interested in excusing or condemning anybody, really. That said, those who would emulate him are due some criticism for trying to be someone other than themselves. But if you want to call the original a pathetic or misguided or whatever, I’m not going to argue with your assessment. In my view, it’s not particularly relevant, because I see this as entertainment. Elvis was a douche too, but I still like his music.
Kate134
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 02:15 pm: [report]
I love when older married women get pissed off about guys who they think are douchebags being popular with other people.
@ Bumbler: Seriously, who gives a crap - Tucker Max (who was hilarious in High school) is just himself. Period. He’s not promoting a rape culture, he’s not. Period. The women he sleeps with are consenting adults. Which is more than I can say for any number of famous historical authors - Yet you didn’t note Polanski’s work was Misogynistic… He’s actually raped children.
And he really isn’t using women or a misogynist. Unless the women who sleep with him aren’t actually people who have their own agency as you all seem to act on the premise of. Basically by calling him a misogynist you are claiming the women who have slept with him, enjoy his writing or simply don’t hate him are incapable of making their own decisions and are merely attracted to/ or like a culture of misogyny because they’re told to.
Maybe you’re the misogynist for thinking other women can’t make up their own minds.
Who cares about some guys who think it would be cool to be just like Tucker Max? Maybe they succeed, maybe they don’t - how is it any better or any worse than people who emulate Paris Hilton or any number of Romance novelists? I wouldn’t date a pretend tucker, or a tucker because I don’t want STDs, and because frat boys tend to annoy me over time. Would I care if I found out my boy friend slept with over 300 women (but was disease free)? Probably not. Most likely I’d laugh and then say - wow that makes my 10 look pitiful.
PinkRanger
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 03:54 pm: [report]
@kate134: I"m not sure anyone is saying that he is better or worse than “Paris Hilton, or Romance Novelists”, that statement is completely illogical, unless one of us referenced either of those things. Which….....we didn’t.
@NomChampsy: Thank you for being able to disagree with me without insulting me. I know that sounds like a strange reply, but as a feminist I get a lot of fire and assumptions thrown at me sometimes. Essentially, I am just trying to argue that his portrayal of masculinity is worth discussing. I’m not sure he is trying to push it off on anyone else, but by being in the public eye he is an influence. As for “rape culture”, I’m sorry to make crude assumptions about his intelliegence *I know he went to Duke* but that is one of the most misunderstood terms in the entirety of women’s studies *which according to his website he thinks is not a legitimate course of study, so I’m sure he hasn’t studied it* so I did, perhaps unfairly, assume he doesn’t know the actual meaning, and maybe feels that since he doesn’t outright condone abuse or violent rape, that he isn’t part of it.
bumbler
wrote on October 2 2009 @ 05:36 pm: [report]
1) I give a crap obviously.
2) I believe I mentioned Polanski in passing saying I judge him. I’m the last person you want to throw Polanski at considering my belief that if Dante Alighieri were around now he’d assign a new circle of Hell for him and his rape apologist sychophantic friends. But the argument of “hey this might be bad but this guy’s worse!” never cut any ice with me either. Each thing is free to be judged within it’s own sphere. I’m not going to say we should ignore poverty in America because it’s worse in Darfur. I’m not going to say we should ignore Max filming a girl without her permission (which is a crime) because what Polanski did is worse.
3) Once again throwing things on me which I have never said. I distinctly said that the women who sleep with him know exactly what they’re getting. I don’t understand the point of this anyway. He can’t be a misogynist because some women are still willing to sleep with him? He can’t be a misogynist because some women still enjoy his writing? Explain that to me. Maybe I wasn’t invited to the vagina consortium where women decided we all had to agree someone was a misogynist before one of us could believe it?
4) Show me one place where I said the women who liked him were victims of the culture of misogyny? Look, I will still rock out to Billy Jean if it comes on the radio. I do not agree with how Michael Jackson lived his personal life in the slightest. I don’t like Tucker Max’s work because A) It’s not funny to me B) I find the way he acts towards women in real life and in his work offensive. That’s not going to change. Last time I checked (unless the vagina consortium revokes my rights) I’m entirely entitled to hate his work and hate your precious Tucker. He’s a bottom basement Chuck Palahniuk going for shock value without any real creativity like the original. He makes jokes about disabled people, little people, homeless people, fat people and women being sluts and whores. My Lord how original! And if you don’t find it funny and think retreading these tired old tropes is offensive then you don’t have a sense of humor or you’re a domineering older woman apparently (although Tucker is considerably older than I am). I get to feel that way, you get to feel yours. The only personal attacks I’ve seen have been on the Tucker Max fan side of the aisle (excusing of course our more level-headed regular posters who have presented their case intelligently without having to resort to personal attacks about age and lifestyle).
5) Point out where I said women can’t make up their own minds? Please quote me.
*Lee*
wrote on October 3 2009 @ 09:08 am: [report]
I like him, I thought the book was funny. I haven’t seen the movie, and don’t plan to. I do think it’s not that big of a deal. When you protest and make a big deal of things, you give them more credence than they perhaps deserve.
Ciao99
wrote on October 4 2009 @ 05:50 pm: [report]
Weren’t we just lectured in a previous post that American women should find themselves a guy instead of a man? Well you get what you pay for ladies. This dude’s definitely a guy, not a man.
Arsenic
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:35 am: [report]
@TheRon
Good lord, I hope that’s sarcasm.
Arsenic
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:42 am: [report]
@PinkRanger
I’m sorry to be argumentative, but you get a lot of “fire” not because you are a feminist, but because you have views that a lot of people don’t agree with -myself included- and I am ALSO a feminist- and you don’t necessarily present them in the most diplomatic way. I’m not saying that’s bad (you have a right to your opinions and how to express them), I’m saying that playing the feminist card in this case is kind of trivializing and insulting to people who don’t share your views (it implies that we are against feminism).
Riley
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:44 am: [report]
@Arsenic - Hells naw. TheRon is all about absolutes, mostly on the ridiculous side of things.
PinkRanger
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:45 am: [report]
@theron: definitely an appropriate reaction when people disagree with you. Taking it a bit personal are we? Maybe a bit insecure about your own taste in crap? Or is Tucker Max your boyfriend and we just totally hurt your feelings?
You’re right. I’ve changed my mind. I don’t want to be uncool. I officially think Tucker Max is hilarious. I don’t want to be a humorless bitch right? Now I get it, anytime I think something is unfunny I’m just an idiot. I better go rent Meet the Spartans straight away!
Thanks for giving me a classy, and intelligently worded, argument to open my eyes to my own stupidity.
*sigh*
PinkRanger
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:47 am: [report]
@Arsenic: did it occur to you that I wasn’t talking about the frisky? I meant in the real non-internet world, which has a lot more bearing on my life. You don’t know where I’ve been. Thanks for trivializing every thing I said by picking out one statement and trying to make me feel bad. I don’t even care that much about Tucker Max, I just love debate. I’m not even the one fighting that hard on this post. Christ.
Riley
wrote on October 5 2009 @ 08:49 am: [report]
@PinkRanger - Come on now, Meet the Spartans was critically acclaimed and won many awards for most insightful comedy of the century.
Tart and Soul
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 01:45 pm: [report]
What’s curious to me isn’t why Tucker Max is such a meanie hound dog, but how these guys have so many women not only willing, but at times, dying to sleep with them. Why do women love womanizers and players? Check out my post, “Oh, How I Love a Womanizer” and see if you agree:
http://tartandsoul.com/2009/10/04/oh-how-i-love-a-womanizer/
Arsenic
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 05:00 pm: [report]
@PinkRanger
Look, I’m not going to get into it with you, and I wasn’t trying to make you feel like crap (I promise), I’m just saying that maybe a lot of the flack you get is because you tend to hear what you want to.
You’re probably right, though, it doesn’t look like my comments are going to make much headway anyway, regardless of what intentions motivated them.
Arsenic
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 05:04 pm: [report]
(Con’td.)
I’m sorry, rereading that, it came out much more bitchy than I intended. I meant that I you were right to call me out on armchair analyzing you- I don’t have a right to and I apologize.
Arsenic
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 05:06 pm: [report]
@misha01
What the #&@$%?
PinkRanger
wrote on October 6 2009 @ 09:34 pm: [report]
@Arsenic: It’s no worries. The internet brings out the one-sidedness in people.
Bean's Girl
wrote on October 9 2009 @ 11:42 am: [report]
What a disgusting “man”. I don’t get why these women want to sleep with him, he’s just average looking. What is wrong with people these days? Set him on fire and be done with it already. I mean really people, come on.
elansdale
wrote on October 9 2009 @ 03:34 pm: [report]
I have read his book. I found it in a plane and DID NOT pay money for it, because I have better things to spend my hard earned money on. When I was done, I wished I could have erased it from my brain. If you like books self absorbed rich boys who hate themselves and take it out on everyone they come in contact with, then Tucker Maxx is for you. By the way, I don’t think that Tucker Maxx glorifies the way he conducts himself, example being the title. He basically tells you I am a terrible person and I know it, but at least I can admit it and get laid in the meantine. Personally, there are writers in his “my shocking lifestyle genre”(as I call it) that do it much better. He wrote something and made money off of it, so more power to him. Shame on us for paying for it.
quotes
wrote on October 29 2009 @ 10:10 am: [report]
His messageboard is down, but his words will never die.
The Quotable Tucker Max
monikita
wrote on November 5 2009 @ 08:27 pm: [report]
So, I came across this book in Barnes & Noble last night and started flipping through it. I was mostly appalled at the fact that our culture actually celebrates this kind of s..t enough that people publish it, buy it, praise it, and make a best seller out of it. Something is very, very wrong with our society. Whoever mentioned the Voltaire quote above said it perfectly.
At first, it made me pretty sickened at mankind in general. I, personally, would not want to get within 20-feet of this guy. He is the epitome of why I transferred to a European university after a year at a big US college - that typical disgusting, demeaning frat boy who thinks he is hot/cool/funny and whose only true goal in life is to have sex with anything that walks and drink a lot. I know girls who, for reasons I can’t understand, do give guys like this the time of day, and have sex with them. Some girls just don’t have much self-respect for a variety of psychological reasons I won’t elaborate upon here, and there are men who take advantage of that. However, I like to think that most intelligent, attractive girls know better and, like me, would never pay attention to, much less sleep with, a guy like this.
Like I said, my fist instinct was “men are horrible creatures!” but then I thought about it. I know many wonderful, loving, caring, handsome, intelligent, respectful, generous men who would be DISGUSTED by the filth this guy is spewing. He is utter trash. It is truly a shame that this is idolized in our culture.
I found the link to this Carson Daily interview, and it sums my thoughts up pretty well. Tucker looks so forced and unhappy. Like the other commentators on that site mention, he clearly seems to be a very troubled and lonely individual. I almost feel pity at the fact that he will probably never know real love or have a healthy and meaningful relationship with a woman, and will die alone after having lived an essentially empty existence (though I don’t know if he has the capacity to come to such a philosophical epiphany).
I admit to wasting 20 minutes of my life reading through his stories and Googling him, with the sick fascination of someone watching a car wreck - it’s horrible but you’re entranced. But really – anyone who would buy his book, see his movie, or praise him is only perpetuating the downfall of society. Instead of our youth honoring scholars, academics, humanitarians, etc….we honor people like this? I repeat: what is wrong with our society?