Feature: Leave It To My Beaver
Posted by: Cara Russell
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2:00PM, Saturday August 30th 2008
I’ve always been a late bloomer, so it wasn’t until my late ‘20s that it occurred to me to groom my somewhat pronounced Black Irish eyebrows. And it was only natural that my carpet was mostly natural; I did minimal trimming to reign in my coordinating pronounced downtown region. I believe SNL’s Amy Poehler on “Weekend Update” compared this old school size of pubic-hair real estate to a slice of New York City pizza, which would not be altogether off the mark in describing my zone’s unaltered state. My reasons were numerous, though I’d never had to give them.
I don’t feel the need to touch girl boobies in public for the edification of any watching spring-breakers, and by the same token I don’t feel the need for my birth canal to be as fully on-display as a porn star’s.
Thanks to today’s young starlets, everyone from Tibetan monks to old New Englanders sitting around the cracker barrel knows that it is in vogue for women to wax off all their pubes. But to me, a bald bush on a grown woman is ridiculous and unattractive, a cultural byproduct of an increasingly pornified America. Its implication is disturbing—why is it supposed to be desirable for a woman’s privates to look like a prepubescent child’s? I don’t feel the need to touch girl boobies in public for the edification of any watching spring-breakers, and by the same token I don’t feel the need for my birth canal to be as fully on-display as a porn star’s. I’m a vintage-loving gal who doesn’t share the modern (and to me, cheesy) aesthetic of women who have year-round tans and stripey highlights in their flat-ironed hair, so I don’t think our vaginas need to match, either. I don’t want my man to be manscaped, so I don’t think that I should be so artificially hairless, either. And so on.
During a boozy discussion about this with some lady friends, they were all pondering what style of pubic maintenance guys preferred: landing strip, Hitler ’stache, etc. Finally I came out with, “You know what men like? VAGINAS,” which was met with a chorus of appreciative cackles. Yes: we all had vaginas. We at least had that dude preference taken care of. End of story, until more recently.
Against my better judgment, and already knowing he was trouble from past experience, I became involved with a very flirty friend who had a decidedly different definition of friendship than I had. His version involved him whipping out his schlong at the first sign of make out. But mind you—we weren’t anything other than friends, “hanging out,” according to him, because he’d been hiding behind an “I’m so damaged from that one terrible relationship” excuse for years rather than facing his issues and moving on.
He once referred to the Beav as “That 70’s Show,” which, I had to hand it to him, was very funny, and for that, I forgave him what may have been a slight to my lady parts. But I didn’t yet realize the sentiment behind that remark. Finally after another not-very-satisfying hookup session led by him, I asked why he didn’t do…everything. He got mad, told me that he didn’t like the amount of hair I had going on downstairs, and that he’s just not attracted to that. (But you know, “that” was suitable for him to use in ways that pleased him.) I was aghast that he’d say this outright, in such an indignant manner, and right after we’d had sex, no less. Imagine if I’d said something equivalent about his johnson—he’d have to tack on years of therapy to those sessions he was already avoiding.
Whereas my younger self would have taken it personally, I knew that I was still awesome, that I didn’t need to deal with his damage anymore, and that I was going to be OK. As I drove away from the scene of the crime, I had to put on Sinatra’s “That’s Life.” When it was over, I rewound the cassette and listened to the song again. I could almost physically feel myself rising above the drama and learning from my mistakes, in real time. It felt like a reward of age and experience, after years of dating up the wrong trees. My attitude was good, considering I’d just departed from the biggest sexual insult I’d ever received. Maybe some part of me already sensed I was about to meet the guy I’d been looking for.
The next day, while blasting some good old cathartic Bikini Kill, I filled my BFF in on the hairy situation. “Ew! Nice attitude for someone who is supposedly so progressive,” she said. She wanted to post a comment to his MySpace profile asking him why a vegan guy hated beavers so much, and I still kinda wish I’d let her.
Shortly thereafter, I met my boyfriend, and we enjoyed those intoxicating first weeks together. At some naked point, he tactfully requested what about maybe getting a new ’do for my pubes, so he could see more of me? I absolutely would not go bald…but said I’d consider some other configuration. Not a token landing strip, either, because: gross. Not my style. I happen to like That ’70s Show, but we are in love, so I would consider a compromise. My boyfriend, a onetime landscaper and future landscape architect, sketched out an updated design by positioning his hands.
I decided to surprise him when we went away on our first weekend trip. I went to a salon to get waxed, not knowing what to expect. I tried to remember what my friends had told me about the process, and was under the impression there’d at least be some sort of little paper thong for modesty’s sake. No such luck! Nothing came between me and my waxer, who was from Argentina, and was thankfully quite chipper, considering her task.
I was left with a mini bush, so flat and trim and the rest so bald, that it felt alien. But my surprise went over extremely well, and I was richly rewarded that weekend. Totally worth it! And though my hairdid took some adjusting to, it actually fit quite neatly beneath my smallest undies, with no need for maintenance between sessions.
In my short career of waxing my special lady area, I have already learned one valuable lesson: when you are from a family that is pretty well hung up about sexual matters (see the “Irish American” part above), don’t get waxed by an Indian, i.e., someone from a non-Western culture that may be somewhat uncool with extramarital sexuality (though they’re still way more sexually evolved than your own ancestors). The Argentinan gal was all like, hell, do it all—where the sun don’t shine, and behind where the sun don’t shine! I was lucky I escaped with any hair left on my body. With the Indian gal, who clearly did not relish her duty and went through the steps as quickly as possible, the best I could do was not to make eye contact on my way out, and hope I could one day return to that salon for eyebrow threading without us recognizing each other.
Super flirty “friend” guy eventually broke the silence some weeks after our fallout, saying he felt terrible about the whole thing. I’d been living in love-land myself, so I wasn’t feeling terrible, and I decided to be big about it. He and I are buds again, although definitely not the genitalia-touching kind, and no longer the MySpace-top-24 kind. I almost wanted to tell him what I had done for the right person who approached the topic in the right way. But that’s none of his beav-wax.
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Kiki T
wrote on May 7 2008 @ 09:23 am: [report]
I’ve discussed this topic with gal pals too—and yes, it’s gross when I guy wants it bald. To me, that is just soooo pedophilic! My belief is if a guy is scared of bush, he isn’t a man!!!!!!!
teets
wrote on May 7 2008 @ 07:06 pm: [report]
I am so, so surprised by all the anti-baldies out there! I first put myself through a Brazilian when I moved to NYC and felt that I had to see what all the fuss was about at the J.Sisters salon. Not sure what it was, but I went bald (for myself) and suddenly, I never looked back (except when it’s winter and I’m lazy). Anyway, I would consider most of my girlfriends modern, hip, devout Us Weekly readers, but when it comes to the landing strip, they all seem to prefer some to none and are creeped out by my lack of a bush. My husband, however, doesn’t really ever comment. Fascinating.
dangerousdebbie
wrote on May 7 2008 @ 08:46 pm: [report]
yeah i never really thought of the pedophile aspect of it. i went bare almost two years ago, and i don’t think i’ll ever go back. i just feel like it gets in the way. for me, it’s not really a matter of his preference. it’s all about me and how i feel about my own hair.
Amelia
wrote on May 7 2008 @ 09:07 pm: [report]
I’m with with you dangerousdebbie. I’m not much for excess hair, personally. I’m always swiffering it away in my bathroom, so I definitely don’t want much excess hair on my body. That said, bald weirds me out. I would feel too chidlike.
notaslacker
wrote on May 8 2008 @ 05:03 pm: [report]
i’ve been manscaping for quite a while now, and i always just thought of it as part of general upkeep:
taken a shower—check
q-tipped my ears—check
now what…oh yeah, time to trim the pubes.
Elle
wrote on May 8 2008 @ 07:03 pm: [report]
I agree with Kiki, dudes who are into bald vagina’s probably have conscious or subconscious pedophilic tendencies. I’m not one for the crazy jungle look either. I think as long as you keep it trim and shave/wax certain areas, then you can’t go wrong. Plus, the upkeep on a bald punani is just annoying.
Amelia
wrote on May 8 2008 @ 08:01 pm: [report]
I can barely manage to shower every other day let alone maintain a perfectly bald mons pubis.
San
wrote on May 9 2008 @ 10:22 am: [report]
Nah nah nah, no brazilian bald thingy for me. I understand some trimmering, but those little hairs are there for something and I am keeping them! I think I would feel naked without them… LOL
Also, for me waxing is one of the monthly nightmares that I have to go through just because I am a girl, so I don’t need to take it to the extreme. And having read this story about a failed DIY brazilian
http://www.uglydoggy.com/2007/03/i-have-to-share-this-one.html
I wouldn’t even try!
roseyjosie
wrote on May 9 2008 @ 03:55 pm: [report]
I went bald once and it will NEVER happen again! The upkeep is too much, and if you’re going to do it you have to keep at it. The growing out phase is not such a good time…lol:)
The Hitler stache is the most disturbing to me. Like the vajayjay version of a mullet, business in front-party in the back. I don’t get it’s appeal…?
atlgirl
wrote on May 10 2008 @ 06:47 pm: [report]
Everything old is new again. I guarantee you all the “baldies” will be sporting beards in the next year or two.
Emilie
wrote on May 12 2008 @ 01:09 pm: [report]
i don’t think it’s necessarily a pedophile thing. it’s just cleaner in my opinion. besides, I don’t want my guy feeling like he’s going to make out with a bearded man.
Housebroken
wrote on May 12 2008 @ 03:08 pm: [report]
Bald, trimmed or whatever. Pubic fashion is a personal decision. It really is ridiculous that I just said “pubic fashion.”
—Get some floss, folks!
atlgirl
wrote on May 14 2008 @ 11:06 am: [report]
I just heard a new expression for long hair down there: “muffstache.”
Amelia
wrote on May 14 2008 @ 11:16 am: [report]
That just made me so happy. MUFFSTACHE!!!
skingal
wrote on June 19 2008 @ 09:14 am: [report]
As an esthetician, I see all shapes, sizes and ‘do’s’. Every client has their own preference, as to what is practical and/or sexy. I call it a ‘clitler’ when I leave a little above the labia. ‘Muffstache’—I now have a new word in my pubic dictionary! Love it! I just don’t get it when someone wants a bikini wax, but then has total bush in the middle…really - what’s the point?!? I have now started ‘manscapings’ and ‘boyzilians’. Very popular, actually.
Amelia
wrote on June 19 2008 @ 09:15 am: [report]
CLITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Rachel Kramer Bussel
wrote on June 19 2008 @ 09:48 am: [report]
I also don’t see why if you’re pro-pubes you have to be so outrageously anti-those who wax. The pedophile idea imo is way off base. I prefer waxing and I go to Eve in NYC, after trying lots of other places that took forever and hurt way more. I feel sexier and just better after I’ve gotten waxed, and since I’m single, it’s not about pleasing anyone else but me. In fact, I think I probably care more than most of the people I’ve been with; I feel sexier and actually feel uncomfortable when I’m too hairy down there.
Can’t we say to each her own?
Amelia
wrote on June 19 2008 @ 09:55 am: [report]
@Rachel Kramer Bussel I totally agree to each her own. I just get icked out by dudes who realllllllly are into the bald look.
squiggy
wrote on June 21 2008 @ 04:29 am: [report]
Well if you ask me it is all in the preference, but you are right about the bald look. I was wondering why I never liked that look on a womans vagina and it was so obvious it was a sin. I do not want to have sex with a child and that is exactly what it looks like Yes ladies please keep some hair and Amelia this article really fascinated you, I have seen four comments from you, way to latch on to something gal, just kidding, take care
Tyler Durden
wrote on July 12 2008 @ 07:33 am: [report]
It’s not that being bald makes a woman look like a “girl.” Having excessive hair covers a woman’s parts, and men are visually stimulated. Also, excessive hair can be a choking hazard. I’m sure acting like a cat coughing up a hair ball doesn’t do anything for the mood.
Elle
wrote on July 12 2008 @ 03:09 pm: [report]
That fur ball thing goes both ways Tyler.
dave vinson
wrote on July 22 2008 @ 12:04 pm: [report]
as a guy, it’s a more pleasant experience in cunnilingus without hair. it also seems to reduce the odor a little as hair holds odor. i prefer a clean set of lips, upper can have a landing strip or not, just so the hole thing is lickable.
hvck
wrote on July 24 2008 @ 12:58 pm: [report]
My wife is Italian and as such is quite hirsitus. And let me tell you that that Mediterranean hair is not only abundant, it is also VERY rigid. For 16 years we had a pretty satisfying sex life, but I must say that if we went very long or had multiple sessions I would end up quite red and abrased for 24-48 hrs (ever tried to have sex with a Brillo pad?). We were curious to try something new and so she went to get a full wax.
Talk about the sun breaking through the storm clouds….
We are NEVER going back to unwaxed. Sex is completely different for both of us, not because of the novelty (four years have now passed) but because IT FEELS GREAT. And cunnilingus is also MUCH more emjoyable for both. Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with it!
bill
wrote on July 26 2008 @ 12:09 am: [report]
I’m with hvck. I hate the brillo boffing afterburn
from bush. And cunnilingus becomes a joy.
Women do it for the effect it has on many men.
Hell, if I’m in a relationship, I’ll gladly pay for
the maintenance if she’ll commit the time.
The pedophilia angle is bullcrap. Women who don’t
agree with waxing always play that card.
trisha
wrote on July 27 2008 @ 10:27 pm: [report]
Went bald once, and was happy to wear teeny underwear without looking gross. It was work to maintain, but would do it again. I have no significant other right now, but I’ll be ready when it do!
J
wrote on July 30 2008 @ 01:42 pm: [report]
I used to think it was weird to go bald and thought guys who liked it were sexually off. But after speaking to a few male friends, I know it’s not the case for a lot guys. They have their reasons for preferring the hairless look, whether it’s purely aesthetic or related to cleanliness and convenience.
Anyway, for countries where it’s normative for women to sport the bald look, I doubt people assume most of the men there are harboring pedophilic urges.
KT
wrote on July 31 2008 @ 12:27 pm: [report]
Anyone who’s ever shaved knows that sensations are so much more lovely and erotic without the hair, for both partners! Not shaving legs would have to go with the pedophelia concept… somehow I think that’s off the track. Those who fear going bare should try it once, and experience the velvet.
Men too!
Lui
wrote on August 1 2008 @ 06:26 am: [report]
My GF is bald. Lazer type! No maintenance ever, and man is it soft!!! And I agree, this drives the appetite quite easily and feel way better without the hair for both of us… Best s*x we’ve had is a few hours after the treatments: The skin swells a bit and it’s all smooth and comfy! Yay!
Lui - suite...
wrote on August 1 2008 @ 06:29 am: [report]
BTW, I’m shaved too, but no lazer… :( But with lube, the contact is so much better… You can feel something you did not feel before.
ela
wrote on August 1 2008 @ 07:23 am: [report]
bald or bust.
rafiyah
wrote on August 16 2008 @ 07:41 pm: [report]
i have to vehemently disagree with the idea that being attracted to a hairless vagina makes you a pedophile. i’m a lesbian and i go completely bald and always, always prefer when my partners do too. i like the way it feels and enjoy both giving and receiving much more without all that hair in the way. it’s very offensive to imply that there’s something wrong with me, especially to insinuate pedophilia. and i feel it’s pretty hypocritical from anyone who shaves her legs to judge those of us who continue a bit higher.
KT
wrote on August 16 2008 @ 08:28 pm: [report]
Go rafiyah! I’m with you!
chop49merc
wrote on August 18 2008 @ 08:05 am: [report]
I’m a 26yr. old male, and I just love the bush. The thicker, the better; and the scents that come with it turn me on tremendously.
funinsun
wrote on August 18 2008 @ 01:51 pm: [report]
I’m a 32 yr old male and when my wife first went bald we had some of the best sex we had had to date…until she suggested I go bald too! Now THAT enhances sex a great deal more. I know it sounds strange but we feel much closer during sex. We feel more sensations. And the lack of hairballs for either of us are a really nice bonus!
Jonthan
wrote on August 19 2008 @ 09:25 am: [report]
I’m a 44 year old and I had my first brazilian waxing at Sweet Samba in Atlanta, Ga. And man it’s not that bad. They told me that more men are trying it these days.
Good luck Men.
Kelley
wrote on August 25 2008 @ 10:57 pm: [report]
My husband loves it! The sex is GREAT! Need I say more?!
Iris
wrote on August 27 2008 @ 08:57 am: [report]
I really think the comments about pedophiles and it being a “sin” as Squiggly said a few months ago are completely unneccesary. I mean, men shaving their face doesn’t make them less of a man, and the women who date them aren’t suspected of having pedophile tendencies….yet, facial hair also marks adulthood. Really, stop making public hair preferences into pedophile impulses or I’ll start saying that a full bush has got to be linked to a person’s attraction to Sasquatch.
ClatieK
wrote on August 30 2008 @ 03:29 pm: [report]
Sorry, Iris. I’m on the pedophile boat. Go ahead and accuse me of being attracted to Sasquatch. (I do like facial hair on a man.)
But I think it’s not so much about really wanting to have sex with 10-year-olds… it’s more that true, adult, sexual, lusty womanhood can be intimidating. The word for it is “infantilizing.” And really, culturally, the shaving of the legs and armpits on women is infantilizing as well.
About 5 years ago I went totally bald at Completely Bare salon in NYC, and I was HORRIFIED looking at myself afterward. Like, really turned off by looking pre-pubertal.
I’m also anti- man chest and pube shaving. Mostly it’s the stubble that makes me want to vomit. Trim it back a little, but don’t let me know.
rafiyah
wrote on August 30 2008 @ 03:49 pm: [report]
hey clatiek, why can’t you just say it’s not for you and leave the moralizing out of it? pedophilia is a huge, nasty accusation. so is “infantilizing.” it’s not your thing. nobody says it has to be. but don’t put some crazy sicko connotation on it for the rest of us.
Manolo Montes-Clara
wrote on August 30 2008 @ 04:27 pm: [report]
I’m going old school on this one. I prefer the flower garden just how nature intended…in full bloom. It looks great, feels great and guys should not be afraid to dig in and eat everything that’s on your plate with gusto.
Women, leave it alone and let the garden grow!
Iain
wrote on August 30 2008 @ 08:23 pm: [report]
As a 50 year old male the only problem I’ve had is with ingrown hair. Shaving and waxing are both a problem and I haven’t tried laser due to cost.
ShyNsweetN
wrote on August 30 2008 @ 08:57 pm: [report]
The Less Pubic hairs, the less tissue..
The Less Tissue, the less lint..
The Less Lint, the less the bod order..
The Less Bod Order, the less soup and water..
Over all the above all well work. It’s all about
Good Hygiene, Consistency and Maintance, regardless
of hair or no hair. But this I will say that I perfer
A little hair growth, just for the mare fact of the
camel toe affect, and how it looks when wearing underwear or jeans.. ouch!!
swede
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 01:25 am: [report]
the necessity of attention to the pubic hair dilema becomes more important with aging. As gray hair begins to intrude into the pubes, attention to keeping the implements of hair control sharp is ever necessary. Gray hair tends to be courser than youthful hair. This entails added friction during dry humping and intercourse. And the thought of what those little buggers can do to irritate the mood during oral sex is just a bad dream. So until they come up with natural hair dye that also goes a looooong way towards softening, I’ll continue to manscape like a Mongol, i.e. scorcked earth until it lookes like a nakes mole rat.
Robertaolderchick
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 03:29 am: [report]
Enjoy your ‘druthers now, folks, it all fades eventually. From your steady rock me daily anywhere anytime, to counting on weekly for sure, then suddenly you don’t remember how long it has been, was it this month or last? Whether hairless or hirsuit, it’s a juicy time of life young’uns. Lap it up while you can. Robertaolderhick
Jacob
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 03:51 am: [report]
To think of your erotic parts purely as a “birth canal” points out some issues the reader may be struggling with. You don’t like shaving your chacha but you have no problem letting a “casual friend” penetrate you? You sound like the kind of person that makes me want to go into psychology
SheilaMarie
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 08:34 am: [report]
I’ve gotta say,ladies and gents,that this convo’s been really interresting. I have always just assumed that there was an ominous reason for men who like bald vaginas-and it creeped me out. After reading the apparently sincere posts from the guys, I feel a little relieved. I’m still not into doing anything more than “general up-keep”, and wonder how you can tell which men are having disturbing thoughts when they see us clean-shaven? For me, hair is cool, and I have yet to not get laid, or have it become an issue in any of my sexual relationships.
Lynn
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 09:32 am: [report]
I’m bald now, but it’s not my favorite look. I’ve always had a “landing strip” and a bit down further (mainly because I was afraid of taking a razor in tooo close to such delicate areas). A couple years ago I tried shaving it all and I HATED it. So then I kept that in-between thing going. I’d never had any complaints, but my current BF asked that I go bald so I tried it. It’s still not my favorite, but it’s his, so I’ll indulge it.
The only annoying thing is when he gets annoyed that it takes me longer to get ready. Showers take longer when you have to really concentrate on not getting razor burn or a razor nick on the most delicate skin you have!
Kevin from Minneapolis
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 09:40 am: [report]
I don’t get why you were so pissed at your friend for saying he didn’t like being oral with all that hair down there. He was being honest. There’s no sense getting all uppity and pissed off, you just have different preferences.
nononanette
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 10:23 am: [report]
A BOTCHED brazilian waxing turned into a horror story for a young Melbourne woman who almost died after the beauty treatment went wrong.
The 20-year-old suffered a life-threatening infection after some minor bleeding while being groomed by a trainee waxer.
Within a fortnight the diabetes sufferer, who has a lowered immune system, was suffering excruciating pain, a fever and a rash extending to her chest, arms and neck.
Other areas of her body became so badly infected, doctors thought she had a flesh-eating disease until they were finally able to examine her under a general anaesthetic.
Doctors at the Austin hospital unit saved the woman’s life with antibiotics last year, but they were astounded when just six months later the same woman presented with a similar condition - this time caused by shaving.
The unnamed woman is one of 90 Victorians who went to hospital last year with waxing injuries, according to figures prepared for the Herald Sun by the Monash University Accident Research Centre’s Victorian Injury Surveillance Unit.
But because of her poorly managed diabetes and low immune system the results for this woman were almost catastrophic, said the Austin’s director of infectious diseases, Prof Lindsay Grayson.
“This case represents one of the more extreme examples and this patient would have died without appropriate medical care,” he said.
“This didn’t occur just once, it occurred twice, and we have had other cases, though never as serious as this, where people will do strange things to do what they perceive as beautiful.
“Many of these new beauty treatments may be fine for healthy people, but patients who have weakened immune systems should think twice about having these.
“Waxing is a very gross way of removing hair and in doing that, it is not possible to wax without some micro-trauma to the skin.
“That is normally okay, because our immune systems deal with it, but depending on the location it can have various risks.”
A summary of the case features in the international medical journal Clinical Infectious Diseases to inform doctors around the world.
Prof Grayson said he hoped beauty therapists and those with low-immune systems would also take notice.
Phil
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 11:56 am: [report]
All you girls saying bald is like “pedophilia” are idiots. According to that theory, why don’t you stop shaving your legs and armpits too?
Troy
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 01:32 pm: [report]
I agree the pedophile angle is just not a valid argument. Trimming to me is an efficiency thing. I don’t care if you are bald or do some sculpting but the full on bush is not a good look on anyone. Giving oral sex is my favorite thing to do and the less time I have to spend picking pubes out of my teeth and off my tongue, the more time I have to devote to the task at hand (or mouth as it may be) and give my partner the best time I can give her.
Morgan
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 01:34 pm: [report]
To nononanette:
Frankly, those stories to my mind speak more about the dangers of unmanaged diabetes than the dangers of shaving or waxing. Being a diabetic myself, I know the importance of managing my illness, and the consequences of not doing so. Should I suffer those consequences, I’ll have no one to blame but meself; personal responsibility, ya knows.
Frankly, it’s a pain in the ass. Daily insulin, blood tests at all times of the day, but hey, it beats bein dead or blind, thank ye muchly.
Morgan
SomeGuy
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 01:48 pm: [report]
I had never thought of or heard the pedophilia association some people attach to hairless adult genitalia until a partner mentioned a previous man’s disgust. I’m no psychologist either though, so I’m not going to speculate. However, I do have a little bit of a thing for older women, and have never found myself attracted to children.
My girlfriend’s hairstyle isn’t going to effect my willingness to interact. Though it is more pleasant to perform cunnilingus as the amount of hair lessens. I don’t know many people that like getting hair in their mouth, especially pubes.
My experiences show that women with a manicured lawn carry a flower more moistened. I suspect it increases topical sensitivity as well as the woman’s active thoughts on her sexuality.
James Effs
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 05:21 pm: [report]
I agree that the kushy should not be totally bald, it does have a child like look to it and I believe we are dealing with grown women here. At the same time there is no need for the Amazon forest. Maybe because I watched porn in the 90’s vs 70’s; but that bush is not cool. Keep it low and neat and i’m a fan.
Mike
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 05:26 pm: [report]
Personally, all I request is that my partner(s) be clean and neat all over. Extreme hairlessness is just unnatural in an adult.
That said, being intimate with someone who is clean-shaven or waxed is a rather different sensation from the norm, and can be a nice occasional treat, especially if we shave one another as part of the process.
Kat
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 06:14 pm: [report]
I alternate hairy and bald and I find the sex more enjoyable when I am bald because everything is so slippery and also my clit gets more easily stimulated even from just penetration. Not to forget oral, I find receiving oral while bald is just off the charts when compared with when I am hairy. Landing strip done high - on the mound, is just as good as bald but I often do my own waxing and the strip requires too much precision for my DIY skills.
dennisg999
wrote on August 31 2008 @ 08:11 pm: [report]
always hated sticking my finger down my throat to catch the one that got away. Here in Turkey it’s cultural to be ‘clean’ for males and females both. I’m not Turkish, but shavin my man parts to keep the ladies happy doesnt bother me abit. A friend asks how do you that. VERY CAREFULLY
Steelgeek
wrote on September 1 2008 @ 04:43 am: [report]
To me there’s nothing worse than going oral then having to stop when she is just about there to do your best impression of a cat with a hairball…
Barry
wrote on September 1 2008 @ 10:44 am: [report]
Ladies, just as a man would be unhappy to find a stray hair in his bowl of soup, he is unhappy to discover his one-night-stand/girlfirend/wife does not maintain a clean beav. No one likes hair in their food! Bald is beautiful because we get to see the whole thing; no interfering hair in the way. We men equate excessive body hair on a woman with uncleanliness; hence why we do not date any woman with armpit hair. Bald is beautiful. And for those of you even consider a bald or neatly trimmed adult vagina anything remotely pedophilic, grow up. You’re watching too much closeted Oprah.
Women Be Trippin'
wrote on September 2 2008 @ 09:05 am: [report]
My friends and I had been hearing for years about how much of a pain it is for women to shave or wax down there, so we decided to undergo the waxing experience.
You ladies are braver than we thought.
http://womenbetrippin.com/brazilian-wax
One Man's Perspective
wrote on September 3 2008 @ 03:37 pm: [report]
1. Smoother is better. She prefers to kiss me when my face is clean-shaven. I prefer to head south when she’s clean-shaven. And I echo the sentiments about having to stop just shy of my gal’s big O to hack up a pube.
2. It’s aesthetically pleasing. Men are hairy. Women aren’t supposed to be hairy. Just let an American woman see a German woman with underarm hair and watch the reaction.
3. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it. If you’ve tried it and didn’t like it, or your guy didn’t like it, so be it. But if you’ve never tried it, ask your guy what he’d think. I’d be willing to bet you’ll get a positive response.
4. Surprise him. Be daring. Be different. Be naughty. It’s not like they won’t grow back. In the meantime, your man will appreciate that you tried something new for him. Who knows - you might just enjoy it too.
tribalimage001
wrote on September 4 2008 @ 02:09 pm: [report]
im a man and not that there are any thoughts of young girls in my mind but when i go to pleasure my lady down there i like to do it hands free. and i have a phobia about foreign things in my mouth, so if even the littlest hair gets in there i gag!! plus my wife like shaving it, she dont want me to feel like im kissing a bearded man either.i also shave down there because she dont like messing with the hair either. but everyone has their own opinion and theres nothing wrong with that. what im saying is “its all personal preference.” to each their own, do waht you gotta do. thanks for reading.
deek44
wrote on September 7 2008 @ 03:43 pm: [report]
It looks like just about everything has been said about bald vs. hirsute (note the spelling, everyone), so I’ll only add another opinion, in case anyone is adding up the pro & con.
First, a quick anatomy lesson. No woman has ever had hair on her vagina! Now, its a different story for hair on and around her vulva (all external parts, from the vaginal opening outward), a word that no one seems to know anymore.
Enough of that. I’m willing to give up the pedophile designation (as much as it really does have real meaning to some of us) and just admit that I would rather have sex with a woman whose vulva looks and feels like a mature woman’s vulva looks naturally. I don’t like the unnatural look associated with a hairless Sphynx cat. I mean, I’m not even slightly inclined to “stroke” the furless skin of a hairless cat. (The pun of association between cat and pussy IS intended, to lighten up my anatomy lesson.)
I personally agree with chop49merc & Manolo Montes-Clara, in my love of the natural, and as much of it as a woman wants to leave. I’m willing to respect a woman’s desire to satisfy herself, but I would urge her to talk it over with her guy first, in case she is considering going bald because she just THINKS that he will prefer it. I don’t like the bald look at all, although a little trimming, and certainly trimming to look better in a bikini, I would not say no to.
I definitely cannot imagine going bald myself for any reason, and would only do a LITTLE trimming if a woman in my life sincerely requested it. I also can’t even begin to picture myself without at least a mustache. And, I can assure you, I have NEVER given even the slightest moment of thought to thinking that I am kissing or making love to a bearded man’s mouth when I am being blessed with access to a woman’s very mature appearing vulva. That is patently ridiculous, and not worth the time to bring it up.
Ladies, do what pleases you, and maybe a little trimming if it pleases your guy AND you! But talk with him first, if you are so inclined, and then make a considered decision. Face it; we (men) should all feel privileged just to have ready access to such a special and wonderful place as a woman’s most private of parts. Parts are parts, but to share THOSE parts is special to me! Yes, I am an older man, but perhaps some of my reverence for what the women in my life (past, present, & future - I hope) have given to me or allowed me to take, should be exercised by the some of the younger men who seem to think that they can dictate how they think a woman should look.
-deek
PS-I hope that even you ladies who ascribe to the bald look, can appreciate how I feel about the wonderful gift that you have for us guys. Don’t waste it on some demanding guy unless you are of a like mind.
Did I stir up a hornet’s nest? Comments, please.
rafiyah
wrote on September 7 2008 @ 04:19 pm: [report]
wow. for someone so concerned about us women standing up for ourselves, this is an awfully condescending post. thanks for the tip that i don’t have hair on my vagina. while you’re enlightening us all on our anatomies, what are these round things on my chest?
it’s sweet of you to be concerned, but we’re grown women. if we’re shaving, it’s because we want to.
BaldRed
wrote on September 11 2008 @ 08:41 am: [report]
There can be nothing more tasty and delicious smelling in this world than a woman’s vagina, hair or no hair.
While some women might chose to subtly or expressly raise the issue whenever appropriate (but before the clothes come off), the choice should be the woman’s if the issue concerns her. Personally, I love a woman the way nature designed her after puberty. A full dark bush is a real turn on.
bob
wrote on September 20 2008 @ 06:54 pm: [report]
I’m sorry but this is just as some have said, a matter of personal preference. I personally don’t mind either way…hair or no hair, but I do want it taken care of! There is nothing worse than pickin pubes out of your mouth because there has been no grooming. I find it very attractive when a woman takes the time to take care of the lower region!
Deek44 we don’t need the anatomy lesson that you so carefully prepared, we all know what this is all about. If you want to give the lesson then you need to take it elsewhere.
Ladies just some advice….no matter how you want to have it, just make it neat! When it has been taken care of the hair is soft and pleasing. If its a Brazilian, that is good too. I am a fan either way.
tilepusher
wrote on September 20 2008 @ 08:52 pm: [report]
As a qwerky man, I try to stay in decent shape so I feel better about myself. I also shave my boys and unit(no, these are not the normal words I use for my parts). I like affectionate women who weigh less than me, and I love if they shave also. Shaving or not shaving is not a deal breaker, for me. Either I like the woman or I don’t…... regardless of her hair style. About the pervert/pedophile angle…... I believe most people have something they like that is out of the normal and this is very natural(no, not actually being a pedophile- that is so wrong). Shaving is such a minor kink, compared to everything out there. Most people are attracted to the appearance of youth. My friends are all chasing this 40-something, with the face & body of a 20-something and ignoring the women their own age & younger. I see nothing wrong with that.
In a theoretical world, if there were 3 exact clones, all with the same personality, 1 was totally shaved, 1 was trimmed and 1 was natural, I would think the shaved one was the most attractive. In my life I don’t think it would be possible to know what turns every person on…... but regarding my own personal lifestyle, I will try almost everything twice…. and then decide if it is right for me.
I love all the things women have done for me to make themselves more attractive to me and I will never again take these things for granted. For you ladies that are shaved/waxed, or trimmed, Thank You. For you ladies that are natural, if you are happy and love yourself, that is way more attractive than anything physical.
Baldred
wrote on September 21 2008 @ 07:03 am: [report]
There was once a vagina fron China
Pink labia one could not find any finer
A penis said, “there’s no hair for my bed”
So he left for a pasture more devina.
hey
wrote on September 21 2008 @ 09:12 am: [report]
I think anyone who looks at a hairless vulva and think it looks like a prepubecent girl is the one with pedophilic tendencies. If a person wants to get rid of all the hair down there, why question it? So many people think there’s something wrong with you if you do this and these people need to find something more important to worry about.
Don
wrote on September 21 2008 @ 09:04 pm: [report]
It has become quite popular to claim that the bald look is part of a pedophiliac attitude. But the question is, why did the look start and why did the pedophiliac claim develop?
It’s quite clear that the look began in porn movies. Why? Did some producers or directors say, “Okay, we’re going after the pedo market?” Hardly. If they did, why do they frequently use women with silicon-enhanced breasts? How many children have breasts bigger than their heads? And how does that explain the fact that many of the male actors also trim and/or shave below the waste? There is even an electric shaver marketed to me for this purpose (the Norelco Bodygroom).
The answer is in the shaver’s on-line advertising. Shaving makes the man’s member look larger. It doesn’t make it larger, but it adds a “visual inch.” This will show up better in porn films.
Obviously, a woman without hair won’t be larger. But here is the REAL purpose of men and women shaving for porn movies: it makes it easier to see what’s going on. That’s all. No longer is porno a close up view of two Brillo pads arguing over a sausage. Now, everything is clear for the viewers to see. Sorry, it has nothing to do with pedophilia.
So why the claim? There is a small group of women who, quite frankly, hate men. I’m not talking about lesbians—most lesbians have no problem with men, they’re just not interested in having sex with them. No, this is a very small group of women who hate everything about sex. One has gone so far as to claim that all forms of intercourse are rape. This small group is vocal and vicious. They hate sex and they don’t want anyone else to enjoy sex. So they look for ways to dehumanize sex and make it ugly.
So to them, ignore that most women in industrialized countries shave their armpits and legs. Ignore the fact that many men get body hair trimmed. Ignore the fact that many men and women have their hair tweezed, waxed, or lasered away. None of that has anything to do with pedophilia. But if a woman who overflows the double-D cups of her bra shaves so a camera can see things more clearly, to them, that’s pedophilia.
As soon as Nancy Palin made her acceptance speech, women all over the U.S. tried to get her hairdo, clothes, and shoes, copying what she wore. That has nothing to do with pedophilia. If anything, it’s just hero worship. So if people copy porn stars, is that also not hero worship?
It’s only pedophilia to those trying to make a name for themselves because they’re unhappy with who they are. It has no basis in reality.
deb
wrote on September 22 2008 @ 09:33 pm: [report]
I’ve trimmed and groomed, waxed and shaved as well as done the ‘that 70’s show’ grooming on my initimate parts. I love it all but bald or very short is very good for sexy and very clean feeling. There is less odour for your partner and very erotic sensations for you…. the little bit of pain is worth it….....
Damien
wrote on September 23 2008 @ 01:03 pm: [report]
My wife sent me this article today and asked me what I thought. She was quite upset (angry) and after reading the responses here, I am more than a little angry myself.
See, my wife and I are in our early thirties and are both professional photographers. Our clients range from mothers wanting baby photos, to teens getting graduation pics…all the way to pro models who pose for artistic nudes and fine art exhibits.
My point, is that we are surrounded, every day, by every age bracket of male and female you can imagine and work with each persons most closely guarded concept; their sense of self beauty and identity.
So, what angered my wife and I so much?
This utter stupidity of linking something as personal as pubic hair preference to pedophilia. There is no way we can believe that a normal, healthy and balanced human being would link what someone finds attractive in their partners pubic region to being a closet child molester! This sort of belief is not only dangerous, but reveals so much about the person pushing such an idea. Yes, there are people who have such tendencies and might see a ‘shaven’ woman as material for adolescent sexual imagery. But don’t you dare make such a wide, all encompassing generalization about the rest of us.
Does every man, who is attracted to a woman with small breasts, secretly desire her to be a young boy?
Does every woman, who likes a clean shaven male body, harbor secret ‘little boy’ fantasies?
Does every man, who prefers a partner with large breasts, really want to have sex with his mother?
Does every woman, who marries someone who looks anything like her dad, really just living out some deeply buried incestuous longing?
Of course not! Are there some people who do match the above descriptions? Yes, of course; welcome to planet earth! But anyone with an ounce of common sense doesn’t brand the masses because of the few. Unless they are seeing something in others that they really see in themselves.
My wife shaves, not because I am some closet perv but because she enjoys the greater feeling of cleanliness. I lover her with and without pubic hair and when she is shaven, I enjoy seeing her bare because…it’s my wife! Jesus people come on. She likes me shaven because it makes oral sex easier and more enjoyable for both; end of story.
So, sorry to the ‘evil behind every corner’ folks here, Freud has left the building!
And let me share this, to those crying ‘it must be pedophilia’....the parents of young teen girls ask my wife, all the time, if their daughters shaving their pubic hair off is normal; because so many are doing just that! It’s a cultural thing now, we can argue the ‘whys and the whens’ all day; the point is that many girls start shaving a couple of years after they first start getting pubic hair. Do you think that ‘all’ of these teen girls secretly want to be little girls again? Hell no, they can’t wait to grow up. They shave because they want to…or because their friends do…who really cares? Call it weird, or gross or whatever you want.
Its only a personal preference, that’s it.
But to label something so personal as being a sign of a deranged perverted mind, is no better that Hitler killing Jewish people because they were different, or black people being treated like animals because of their skin color, or Catholics burning books of every religion that doesn’t preach the catholic message.
In other words, being so arrogant as to think that ‘your’ personal beliefs are not only true, but should be true for everyone - or everyone else is evil, or sick, or of the devil.
I thought humans have evolved above such rubbish.
Damien
deek
wrote on September 24 2008 @ 08:48 am: [report]
I think that Damien had one of the best, most considered responces that I have seen yet. He is absolutely correct in saying that whatever look the wearer wants is what she should do. Isn’t that the beauty of what our society is all about? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There is some art that I can’t stand, but the artist has stood the test of time. This is much the same. The pedophile thing now seems to me to be kind of like unnecessary name calling, although very angry reactions to it are at least a little over the top, too.
At the risk of perhaps repeating myself, I still say that first, a guy has no right to DEMAND that a woman shave to please him. Of course, he has every right to request, as long as he lets her know that if she doesn’t want to, it will still be fine with him. In the same vein, if a woman in my life shaves to please herself, then she should do that and I would certainly not love her any less.
But, the second idea I want to propose is that if a woman decides to shave because she thinks that all men prefer it that way and she wants to please, then consider asking him first. Perhaps pleasing him would be to keep most of the hair. Or, maybe a compromise would be to ask him to do the trimming for her (this could lead to some fun interaction), to the extent that he likes it. Personally, I would urge her not to shave it clean, because I am, most definitely, one of those men who prefer it lush and cushy.
Either way, I don’t consider it a deal killer, because I would not love a woman for only one part of her, and more precisely, HOW that part looks. That would be like saying that if she had a mastectomy, I wouldn’t love her any more. I don’t see how either of those things could cause me to love her any less! I couldn’t see myself overlooking her mind and her personality, in lieu how much pubic hair she has.
Thanks for reading again,
-deek
b.
wrote on September 24 2008 @ 04:40 pm: [report]
i just want to say, that this article is fantastically well written. whether you shave or trim or go completely natural, i’m guessing this article held your interest with it’s funny anecdotes. kudos to the author, i hope to read more from you, regardless of the topic!
Ariana386
wrote on September 25 2008 @ 09:43 am: [report]
I’ve been bald now for about 11 yrs—it doesn’t really seem to take all that much time to maintain (certainly not any longer than shaving legs, pits, applying our daily face paint, etc). I didn’t do it originally for any guy, I did it then because I wanted to, and it was the next logical step : I had already experimented with a heart shape, a spade, etc. I spent a brief time on a landing strip, and then wanted to see what it would be like with NO hair. It was a little strange to look at at first, but then I put on some silky panties and… I converted for life! I converted several of my g-friends as well, and they haven’t gone back either. I guess if you are doing it for the “right reasons” (ie your own self, and not just to make someone else happy), then you don’t mind the upkeep.
ShortStack
wrote on September 27 2008 @ 09:29 am: [report]
Going “bald” has it’s plus and negative sides. On one hand, i’ve been more aware of my vagina when it’s bald. I’ve actually been a lot more frisky when there is no shield of hair to prevent my “meat flaps” from meeting my cotton undie’s. However, when it grows out, it’s a bitch! It’s slightly painful when the hair starts to grow back in and then it itches like mad! So bad, that i’ve wanted to reach down and give it a cave man scratch in public. Want to talk about self control? LOL. Of course, this is if you shave. I don’t know if it’s the same for waxing. I end up with a “Cliter”. If my man wants to go downtown and give me a mustache ride, I don’t want him to pause mid taste to pull a pube out of his teeth. Kills the moment for me, because then i’m thinking, “he’s flossing with my PUBES!”.
Robert
wrote on September 28 2008 @ 05:27 pm: [report]
Ladies: Groom in any manner that pleases you and/or your lover(s). Whatever style generates more love, more smiles, more fun….that’s the best for you.
Enjoy.
Chucklebutt
wrote on October 6 2008 @ 05:24 pm: [report]
There’s a funny new documentary about this subject called “Why We Wax.” It just won some awards. There’s an interesting history to removing pubic hair.
http://www.whywewax.com/home.htm
Coming from a guy, I have to agree with the author, men love vaginas. So, I would never stop dating someone over that 70s look. And it has a nice aesthetic appeal. But let’s compare. A cock, which is basically hairless and poking right at you, is easy to admire, not so with a pussy. For a guy, the pussy is magical and hard to figure out. Meanwhile, it’s essentially covered with a mound of hair. It’s hard to admire someone’s face with an unruly, unbrushed, wild head of hair, the same with a pussy.
We like being able to see it in all its glory in order to appreciate the splendor of this mystery we spend every waking hour trying to get closer to. And we want to better understand how to make you sing.
More important for women, men will lick all around the nether regions of a hairless woman and will be much more enthusiastic when they do downtown. And in the end ladies, isn’t that what you really want?
Bon appetit.
chop49merc
wrote on October 8 2008 @ 06:05 pm: [report]
ladies, keep it natural and as wild as u wanna. there are still men out there that enjoy the jungle.
Dave
wrote on November 6 2008 @ 09:29 am: [report]
I have known and loved women since the age of 12. The only thing that I request as one who is a very attentive and giving lover is that you keep it neat, just as I do for you. The last thing I want to bring to our liason is a weedwhacker, hedge-clippers, and a John Deere!
GimmeSomeSugar
wrote on November 15 2008 @ 05:35 pm: [report]
I see all kinds in my line of work. What’s good for one is not good for the other. It’s all about preference, comfort level, and how much hair we want down there. As far as I am concerned there is no right or wrong in that area. http://www.gimmesomesugarbodysugaring.com
aletris
wrote on November 21 2008 @ 09:58 am: [report]
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arosphotos@rocketmail.com
wrote on November 28 2008 @ 09:08 am: [report]
I’m a nude and boudoir photographer. As such, I tend to get first scoop on downward trends, both in the men’s magazines and ladies’ lockers.
The guy who created the “mens’ movement” back in the 80’s said, “A man only needs three things to survive - meat, pussy, and strange pussy.” This probably explains why the men’s movement was short-lived. But he was right.
Guys aren’t merely looking for a vagina, they’re looking for a different vagina. Which means - you heard it here first - hairy is now making a comeback and men’s mags are getting tons of email regarding models published with pubes. This depends, of course, on the mags finding such models and it’s going to take awhile for the pro effect to trickle down to the shower.
But if you remain married to your trim, bald will always bounce back, just like hemlines.
irish
wrote on February 10 2009 @ 01:37 pm: [report]
Well, there’s no one right answer collectively: Hell, there’s hardly even one for me.
But, as long as you asked (you did??? Why, he thought???),
here’s the gospel according to one guy who has always loved the ladies:
Unlike my wealthier friends, I’ve gone south regardless of the season, humidity, or weather. I’ve enjoyed visiting, and have almost always been satisfied with those visits.
Like all things, the same doo does not work for all.
Some folks look better in buzz cuts, some shaven, some closely cropped, and some fully filled out.
My counsel would be to chose a style or look in the same way one chooses to dress: Comfortable and confidence building. When one does so I’ve found that my visits provide for the maximum mutually appreciated results.
As with all things, cleanliness is heaven; at least for me.
But other than that present a look which suits your style and taste (no pun), and you increase the probability that you will be richly rewarded.
I must say (write actually) that putting this piece together has conjured up some wonderful memories, of Hawaiian Tropic, turquoise bikinis, and little drinks with umbrellas… Thanks.
Symian
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 03:15 pm: [report]
I live in Las Vegas, Nevada. When you work outside around cars and it’s 117 degrees outside, you usually want to have as little extra hair on your body as possible. I had no idea how quickly swamp-crotch can turn into a yeast infection (apparently it can take less than one workday). But without the hair, I never had the problem. Some people may thing it looks pre-pubescent, but it’s comfortable, and I’m not trying to impress anyone.
alphabete
wrote on July 9 2009 @ 03:46 pm: [report]
@Symian: Dude I don’t even know if I can look you in the face when I come home now that I know more about your poon than I ever expected to discover on an internet comments thread. I thought after the Brazilian (oh she called me CRYING, only half-done) you had given up on that. In order to revenge myself upon you I will remind you of “that guy from L.A.”
I used to shave daily, due to being engaged to a man who couldn’t find something NOT wrong with the female body. It was alright as long as I did it every day, and by the fourth straight day it had stopped itching. I don’t shave any more lately because frankly I like being able to have a tangible reason to avoid becoming naked or nearly-naked with a man.
That being said, I am not opposed to shaving but if I do it, it’s on my terms and when and how I damn well feel like it. I’ve encountered numerous guys who want their woman bald. Straight up bare. I got no problem with that, but when it becomes a requirement (I don’t care if they are willing to reciprocate or not) then it’s a dealbreaker, period. I’ll do it for myself, but the style of my punani pompadour or lack thereof is not for anyone to ask me tell me to change.