Bloody Clothes Found Stashed In The Lab Where Missing Woman Was Last Seen

_jsw_
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 06:05 pm: [report]

Of course there’s a link. :(

How horrific. :(

effing hickster
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 06:18 pm: [report]

The scariest part is that she wrote an article on campus safety for B Magazine, yet still it seems she was a victim.

snap
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:09 pm: [report]

that’s so terrble.  walking into an on-campus building during daylight hours should not be a safety risk.

AChanceAtHeaven
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:15 pm: [report]

My prayers go out to her family. Let’s hope to God it was a poorly handled menstruation.

effing hickster
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:42 pm: [report]

@AChanceAtHeaven: I’m sorry to say, Chance, but that was extremely tacky.
How low will you stoop for a Zune, anyway?

AChanceAtHeaven
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:47 pm: [report]

^ Please. I came here for a Zune, but found something better: a smart, funny, creative community that welcomes you, empowers you, and doesn’t take things at face value. A community ready for debate, ready for humor, ready for anything… better than any Facebook, Myspace, or Twitter experience I’ve ever had. I’ll be here for a long while, long after the Gift for Gab contests ends.

I understand that that particular comment was offensive; I’m sorry. There’s no remove, no delete button to right my wrong, so you’ll have to settle for a simple apology, though I realize that’s not enough. My friends, forgive me: my humor will be better placed next time.

effing hickster
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:50 pm: [report]

@AChanceAtHeaven: Okay, apology accepted. Just please…put yourself in the shoes of someone else next time. Okay?

AChanceAtHeaven
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:51 pm: [report]

^ I will, rest assured. Thanks.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 08:56 pm: [report]

I will stoop as low as this. I won’t do it but I have no qualms with linking it.

_jsw_
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:02 pm: [report]

What is it about this article that makes people think it’s a good place to be insensitive?

Maybe it’s just me, but a story about a young woman who was likely brutally attacked and killed in a building where she had every reason to feel safe strikes me as being not a place to even attempt humor.

*sam*
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:16 pm: [report]

@_jsw_: normally, I would say it has something to do with them being insensitive morons, but, in all honesty, it probably has something to do with how individuals deal with pain/anguish, etc. I’m really bad at this sort of thing, b/c I always try to find a way to make light of a serious situation, even if it’s of poor taste. But then again, I usually have the tact to keep it to myself when I know it would offend others.

bumbler
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:21 pm: [report]

Ugh this is so sad.  I was kind of holding out hope for cold feet and she would turn up in a few days unhurt.  Seems extremely unlikely now, my heart goes out to her family and fiance.

effing hickster
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:30 pm: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse: Well, that’s a matter that perhaps The Frisky should cover in another post. Corporate and government ethics is a hot topic these days, don’t ya think, Frisky? Especially when it comes to our living, fashion, and health decisions.

_jsw_
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:42 pm: [report]

@*sam*: I’m normally fairly capable of a decent sense of and appreciation of humor, but this topic and similar ones remove that from me, and as dark as I can normally get, I have a hard time getting there for stories such as this one. It might have something to do with having two daughters and fearing something like this could happen to them.

*sam*
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 09:44 pm: [report]

@_jsw_: yeah. that makes perfect sense actually. I’m like that with childhood sexual abuse, but that’s probably b/c of my own past experiences.

effing hickster
wrote on September 12 2009 @ 11:03 pm: [report]

Like I’ve said before, many things don’t shock me and I’m a total advocate of freedom of speech. However, a sense of tactfulness should be recognized beyond the limits of the regulation of hate speech or slander.

What was said was not illegal nor hateful, so maybe we can forget about it instead of dwelling on it?

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 03:05 am: [report]

Yeah….so I found out tonight that I have a friend who knew this girl and had several classes with her. And now she is terrified of everything, even had to walk her home. Sucks.

effing hickster
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 05:34 am: [report]

Yeah, I happened to make the decision to move to Gainesville, Florida just when Danny Rolling was making the headlines as the Gainesville Ripper. Paranoia was at an all-time high, and nobody went anywhere alone.

Turning our attention back to Le, she’s still considered a missing person, despite the bloody clothing. No signs of a struggle seem to be apparent yet. Besides, how would anybody get a 90 lb. body out of that building they showed on t.v.? That’s kind of a small entry and lobby.

The media says that there are at least one hundred agents working the building. That’s a lot of manpower.

bumbler
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 07:43 am: [report]

@hickster I still got questions about that when I went to UF in 2001.  It was annoying to answer again and again “No I’m not frightened of a serial killer who was captured almost a decade ago.”

AChanceAtHeaven
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 08:10 am: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse: How terrible that she’s to endure that kind of emotional distress. I’ll pray for her.

retro chic
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 08:43 am: [report]

@effinghickster: I hear what you’re saying (about how cases are worked “officially”), that it’s just a missing person’s case for now, but, with that many agents on duty they know what they’re looking for, unfortunately. They seem focused on people who know the campus all too well from the inside.

I’m sure most would agree the *motive* to hide the *bloody* clothes, in the ceiling tiles no less, was not born of voluntary submission or accidental injury, but the police have to take that posture to gain more cooperation from suspects/witnesses. We’ve also seen enough cases where larger bodies were moved under more conspicuous conditions and still escaped notice.

I always hold out hope in these situations, even if it turns out to be a hoax (which I doubt), at least there is life, however messed up.

chouette
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 09:36 am: [report]

It’s really scary that something so awful could happen in broad daylight in an academic building- and that it would take authorities so long to figure out what happened.  I hope this story doesn’t end the way it’s looking right now.  I feel so bad for her fiance.

effing hickster
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 11:46 am: [report]

@retro chic: Well, if those were her clothes, then you have the added risk of the body leaking blood as it was being transported. That’s why inexperienced criminals always go for the bathtub when disposing of remains.

However, if you’ve seen any of the news clips, the trash dumpster they were digging in had many plastic bags in it. One could have wrapped her before leaving.

All of this based on the assumption of murder, of which we have no proof yet.

retro chic
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 03:29 pm: [report]

@effing hickster: There was an update today: “‘Nothing that can associate with Annie Le at this time.’ Investigators will not confirm rumors that bloody clothes were found. ‘We are not in a position today to conclude whether this is a missing person case or whether criminality is involved.’” So, it’s close to the vest for now, as usual. This happened on a Univ campus which can ill-afford bad press and the legal and financial implications of that. But it’s safe to say the assumption is foul play, not nec murder, yet, given the specialized activities not ordinarily assigned to a MP’s case.

All CSI TV speculation aside, it would not be difficult to pull off under the cover of an empty lab with 24/7 access, its equipment and supplies to prep for “bagging.” I don’t think that would be a stretch, since there was no video of her leaving, only going in.

Let’s just hope for the best, that can never hurt.

effing hickster
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 05:49 pm: [report]

@retro chic: True. Reports say they did call out the big crime scene van, which drove into the basement area. They’re also confirmed as checking out the garbage dump to follow the trash that came from Le’s laboratory.

Funny, I thought they confirmed the clothing bit during the news conference held outside the lab.

Of course, in a case like this the media can be no help at all, and sometimes even may hinder an investigation. I mean look at how Drew Peterson was manipulating the news crews until the police actually came up with some new leads on his third wife’s death. Now he’s clammed up tight.

_jsw_
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 07:53 pm: [report]

It’s a homicide investigation now.

I know we all assumed as much, but it still is painful to know for certain.

AChanceAtHeaven
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 08:17 pm: [report]

^ Lord have mercy, a murder? Terrible.

retro chic
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 08:40 pm: [report]

It’s actually sadder ‘cause you felt from the beginning it was not going to end well, in spite of hope. My heart goes out to her fiancé and family on what should have been one of the most joyous days of their lives.

On goes the speculation why…

and how it could have been prevented

effing hickster
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 08:53 pm: [report]

Stuffed in a wall. If they catch the person responsible, I hope they pin them to a wall.

_jsw_
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 09:00 pm: [report]

@effing hickster: That’d be too kind. I’m not exactly sure what would be appropriate. But that would be too kind. By far.

There are some medieval texts that might describe more suitable approaches.

retro chic
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 09:13 pm: [report]

@effing hickster and @jsw: I’m sure they’ll catch him/her… they seem to have a good idea who and is why they’re so hush-hush it from the beginning, judging from their conduct. There’s a lot at stake on a Univ campus where they’re tasked and entrusted to provide a safe environment for students. Like the shootings in VA (?). Lotsa lawsuits and student withdrawals. Catastrophe for funding too, etc.

@eh: When you first mentioned the Drew Peterson case, I first thought of Scott and Laci Peterson, then realized Drew and his pathetic whoppers. So hard to keep all those Peterson wife-murderers straight.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 09:14 pm: [report]

I’m all up for just plain up euthanasia when it comes to murderers. Would lessen the strain on our prison system too.

retro chic
wrote on September 13 2009 @ 09:24 pm: [report]

^ If you handle the needle, I’ll hold down the arm.

effing hickster
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 02:13 am: [report]

@CheeeeEEEEse: Judging by the amazing amount of convicts having their sentences reversed through DNA evidence, I’d hate to be too hasty. Too many people get convicted for too little evidence most of the time.

However, in this case it could be different based on how much fresh evidence there may be. Fingerprints, saliva, blood, and (possibly) semen matches, handprint matches to the cadaver, cellphone tower triangulation, alabis, etc.

As for the mystery person who was picked up the other day, I think the police may have simply been playing a little game of cat and mouse. Usually it’s in their best interest to lead the suspect on while gathering as much personal information as they can. That way they can gather important information in the suspect’s conflicting answers, but also make it easy to track them in case they choose to flee.

The only thing I can come up with that would make this seem accidental is that she was climbing around up in the ceiling on her own for some reason, and fell into the wall space, which tore at her clothing as she went over the edge. In my mind, though, it just seems too preposterous.

Oh, and CheeeeEEEEse, in my humble opinion, I firmly believe that we’d lessen the strain on the prison system if we’d back off marijuana prosecution in the U.S.  I believe regulation and taxation should be our priority, not head-busting. Save some room for criminals like the person who did this.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 05:57 am: [report]

Yup, all that is true. I’m just saying that for some cases, not all, it seems better to end it.

LiciMama
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 07:03 am: [report]

I’d have to agree with CheeeeEEEEse. Like the manson followers that were beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty of murder. They should have been gone long ago.

Instead of spending the money on supporting murderers, we could put it towards education so that our police force is smarter. There was an article in the Charleston newspaper that 20% of the criminal justice recruits here are functionally illiterate. That’s a scary thought in itself.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 07:21 am: [report]

Here are some numbers from California on costs to house an inmate for a year. I understand that CA will be higher than elsewhere, but still…47,000 dollars wtf.

http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

I happen to like this tidbit best:
“Since 2000-01, the average annual cost has increased by about $19,500. This includes an increase of $8,300 for inmate health care and $7,100 for security.”

F*ck Bush. Corporatism of prisons is wrong.

Riley
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 07:31 am: [report]

It is substantially cheaper to house and feed convicts for life than to hand down the death penalty.  Not to mention the DNA reversals, as hickster pointed out.

Texas might have a cheaper method though, they are like the Wal-Mart of executions.

CheeeeEEEEse
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 07:34 am: [report]

“Save money, kill-em better” Yee-haw!

brandyalexander
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 08:03 am: [report]

This is so sad… she was absolutely gorgeous, and talented, and was supposed to be getting married yesterday… last Monday I would have happily traded places to be her.  And then, Tuesday, she’s gone?  Who can tell when something like this will happen?  I want the guy who did this in jail as soon as possible… utterly terrifying.

effing hickster
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 08:37 am: [report]

@Riley: The sad part is, I believe in promoting more socialized programs when it comes to health and education, I believe in gun control, I believe in immigration rights (we were the first illegal immigrants, you should realize), don’t believe that God literally took dictation, think that the U.S. market system shouldn’t be so free and easily manipulated, and…I was born in Texas.

Riley
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 08:44 am: [report]

@Effin Hickster - No sleight against Texans.  Just on the state government’s itchy trigger-finger.

effing hickster
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 08:48 am: [report]

@Riley: Absolutely.

I just hate wondering what people think when they know you’re Texan. It was bad enough when I was hanging out in Eastern Europe in 2007. Everybody there expects that you know how to tie a lariat, ride a horse, and shoot a gun.

retro chic
wrote on September 14 2009 @ 09:17 am: [report]

@effing hickster: haha. Well, do you? 

I have very mixed feelings about capital punishment (for more reasons than I care to go into), but emotionally (skip the economics), I think there a very few individuals that simply need to be put down.

lareinedeslames
wrote on September 19 2009 @ 04:53 pm: [report]

As capital punishment goes… I have kind of… I guess you’d call ‘em “conservative” views regarding it. I think it should only be used in cases where you know that an extremely violent criminal is 100% guilty (DNA evidence, video evidence, stuff like that).

However, with repeat sexual offenders, particularly child molesters who keep showing up in court to “defend” themselves for their heinous acts? I think after about four convictions they should lose their right to be free. Clearly they can’t be rehabilitated. And if they’re child rapists… well, then…