The 7 Most Bizarre Moments Of Trump And Pence’s ’60 Minutes’ Interview

Donald Trump’s running mate was unearthed just days ago, and Trump and Tea Party Indiana Governor Mike Pence are already raising eyebrows and inspiring social media memes left and right. First, there was Trump’s ridiculous announcement speech, in which he introduced Pence only after rambling about his own achievements for what felt like hours, promptly leaving Pence alone on the stage. Then, there was their sexually explicit initial campaign logo. But Trump and Pence’s 60 Minutes interview was arguably their most bizarre feat yet, fully loaded with moments ranging from the farcically humorous to the genuinely concerning.

If, for whatever reason, you’re actually interested in watching the full interview for yourself, you can do so here. Or, of course, you could do yourself a favor and just read the curated highlights, below. In terms of speaking time, Pence is almost totally eclipsed, but throughout, he’s a good sport about this, sitting pretty with the unnervingly calm smile of a serial killer.

From Trump’s declaration that he’s “more modest” than any of us could ever understand, to his two cents on chemistry and relationships, to his self admittance to holding Hillary Clinton to a complete double standard, here were the craziest moments from the presumptive Republican presidential ticket’s clown-show of an interview.

On Whether Or Not Trump Really Wants To Be POTUS

Simply asked by Lesley Stahl, who conducted the interview, Trump couldn’t offer a straightforward answer, simply spitting out the usual “I want to make America great again” line he’s been dropping for the past year. This indicates that Trump either doesn’t expect to win the general, so he’s preemptively putting on the act that he doesn’t want it anyway, or he doesn’t actually want to be POTUS and simply wants to win.

On Trump’s Humility

When Stahl rightly pointed out that Trump is hardly known for being humble, the man who has time and time again made sure we’re all aware of his being a billionaire (although whether or not this is true is hotly debated) responded: “I think I am, actually. I think I’m much more humble than you would understand.” Now, frankly, if he weren’t the boastful, blustering, self-promoting campaigner that he is, I strongly doubt he would retain half his supporters, but… OK, sure, dude.

By the end of the interview, asked again about if he really, really wants to be president, Trump was back to touting how he has “some of the greatest properties in the world,” and “could be out there” doing anything. To the untrained ear, this might sound like boasting, but Trump said so himself: it’s hard for us common folk to “understand” just how humble he is.

On Trump’s Religion

Asked by Stahl to describe his religion, Trump opted for a stylish, minimalist response to leave the masses guessing and answered, “Religious.”

“Religious? Are you?” Stahl replied, her face admirably void of emotion. Trump then affirmed he won the great trophy that is the “Evangelical vote,” and refused to go further into depth when Stahl pointed out that winning over Evangelicals, alone, doesn’t tell us too much about Trump’s personal religious identity.

On Relationship Advice

If Trump and Pence want you to take away anything from their 60 Minutes interview, it’s that you shouldn’t be afraid of moving too fast in a relationship. Chemistry is all you need, and if you have it with someone, you’ll feel it almost immediately. “I think we will have very, very good chemistry. I feel that,” Trump said. “I don’t think you need to be with somebody for two years to find that out.”

And should you think big steps in a relationship through, or just take big, blind leaps of faith? Well, according to Trump, who did the bulk of the talking, here’s what Pence did: “I would say that he thought about [the offer] a little bit. And about two seconds later, he called me.”

On Honest Communication

Some more relationship advice from the dynamic Republican duo! Asked by Stahl if he would tell Trump when he thought Trump “crossed the line,” Pence replied that Trump appreciates candor. And how will Trump respond if Pence tells him he was being rude? “I might not apologize. I might not do that,” Trump admitted. So, there. Honest communication is important, even though honesty probably isn’t going to change the mind of a hard-headed partner.

On Underestimating Pence’s Craziness

OK, but for real, if you take away one thing about Pence from the interview that was, predictably enough, dominated by Trump, Pence wants it to be that you shouldn’t underestimate just how crazy he is. He might not be as loud, or have the same “style” as Trump, but dammit, Pence is just as out of touch with reality as Trump is, so don’t you dare count him out. Pence conceded he might not, outwardly, approach politics the same way Trump does, but affirmed: “I promise you, our vision is exactly the same.”

On The Iraq War And Hillary Clinton

One of Trump’s sharpest criticisms of Clinton is her vote in favor of the Iraq War, which he frequently cites as relevant evidence for her poor judgment. This might just be Trump’s only actual, justifiable criticism of Clinton, but it lost a whole lot of validity when the topic came up in the interview.

Stahl pointed out that Pence made the exact same vote Clinton did on the Iraq War, to which Trump responded that his running mate was “entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.” Here’s a transcript of Stahl, roundly calling him out on this bullshit double standard:

Stahl: Your running mate voted for it.

Trump: I don’t care.

Stahl: What do you mean you don’t care that he voted for?

Trump: It’s a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people.

Stahl: Yeah, but you’ve used that vote of Hillary’s that was the same as Governor Pence as the example of her bad judgment.

Trump: Many people have, and frankly, I’m one of the few that was right on Iraq.

Stahl: Yeah, but what about he–

Trump: He’s entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.

Stahl: But she’s not? OK, come on–

Trump: But she’s not–

Stahl: She’s not?

Trump: No. She’s not.

Stahl: Got it.

I literally have no comment on this last one.