I’m So Obsessed With Lena Dunham & Taylor Swift’s Friendship

This week’s issue of Time Out New York features a total BFF fest — Lena Dunham is interviewed by best friend and “Girls” showrunner Jenni Konner, and spends a huge chunk of that interview gushing over pal Taylor Swift. So much girlfriend love! A snippet of the conversation:

Jenni Konner: But back to Taylor Swift. I remember you saying that you shared an aesthetic with her, that you wrote about similar things.

Lena Dunham: I mean, it’s different approaches, you know, but a similar idea. As you know, the Internet can put me to bed for four days sometimes, and to know someone who can be under the kind of scrutiny she’s under and wear it so lightly and just like move through the world and… 

Jenni: Shake it off?

Lena: [Laughs] And shake it off! By the way, the other day, my dad told me to shake off the haters, and I said, “Where did you learn that?” And he said, “The gym.”

Jenni: …Well, I heard Taylor on NPR. And the interviewer said something like, “Well, you have this incredible power over all these young women. Do you ever think of using it for something other than what you’re doing?” Which was so offensive, first of all.

Lena: So offensive.

Jenni: The woman was like, “You just talk about romance so much and everything.” As if that’s not helping a teen girl. As if that’s not the thing that’s obsessing the teen girl more than anything.

Lena: Yeah. Well, I mean, her image is as a woman in control and as a woman in power, but it’s also somewhat clean-cut, like the opposite of getting naked on television. She’s one of the pop artists who noticeably isn’t trafficking in her own sexuality. She has an America’s Sweetheart quality, and I have sometimes like a quarter of Americans’ demon quality. But she’s really comfortable supporting what I do and saying why she thinks it can also have the power to speak to women.

Jenni: Right. What you both do at the end of the day is tell your truth.

Lena: I just had a big fantasy of going to her next concert and, even though your daughter is now 10, holding her up on my shoulders. I was like, I’m going to hold her on my shoulders, because those shows are so inspiring. These girls are having peak emotional experience. I was at a Justin Bieber concert once—because Judd Apatow forced me to take his daughter because he didn’t want to—and I was like, This is horrible. This is like some kind of drug has been released into the arena and three-year-old girls are crying and humping things. But with Taylor, it’s just pure unadulterated joy; it’s transportative. Like when I went to the first Lilith Fair.

I so agree with this, and I also just feel secondhand warm fuzzies seeing such powerful women backing each other up. Sigh. The full interview, available here, is worth a read!

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